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by Ritter on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 09:12:42 AM EST
Very bad news from the senate. the difference is very  very low.
With 6 million votes counted

51.8 % Prodi
47.3 % Berlusconi

Projecting the resutls towars 100 % we have

50 % Prodi 158 seats
49 % Berlusconi. 151 seats

So it is actually very very very close!!! The low end of the exit poll

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 12:06:44 PM EST
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10 million votes counted and no change in percentage for both lists. 51.8 (left) - 47.5 (right)

Right now it is a fair win for Prodi, but everyone predicts it is going to get closer.

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by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 12:38:19 PM EST
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Senate 42.36% counted: 50.81% : 48.42%

Lower House 9.5% counted: 53.81% : 45.36%

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:12:56 PM EST
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There is a difference of 300.000 votes and still more than half to go. This increasingly looks like a tie...down to the last vote.

I expect projections to give soon a complete tie.

Prodi can indeed lose this one.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:18:41 PM EST
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It has just widened (50.83% : 48.33%), 45.8% counted.

Isn't the counting of predominantly leftist urban areas slower in Italy, as in most other places? That would mean a widening difference later on.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:22:14 PM EST
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Yes!!! increase to 400.000 votes.

bad news. Sicily is underreported.. and in Sicily the rigth get roughly 10 % more votes.

The projections will probably stand at 50-49.

Personal analysis , Berlusconi could have won this 50-49 and the results now will be perfectly possible statistically (Pshi2 very low still).

I am still very worried.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:27:18 PM EST
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Yes, it is undercounted... and the whole South, too... indeed it has narrowed a bit again.

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A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:37:12 PM EST
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...but Nexus now wages to predict to the tenth percent, 50 : 48.9!

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by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:40:45 PM EST
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Some people just do not learn!! this is impossible.. someone not knowing enough statistics did it.

Having said that, there is a huge change that this is still 50-49 and not 49.5 - 49.5 (statistically meaningful) with 0.5 accuracy.

My bet. This is going to be between a 0.5 % for Berlsuconi all up to 2 % for Prodi... But this means nothing to th newsman so nobody is reporting it. Prodi is complaining about it.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:49:25 PM EST
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I noticed and write down a comment.

I would say we should reach half million votes ahead in the next updates or this will probably be down to each region.. and I would hate that since I do not know enough of the electoral system.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:42:29 PM EST
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My chief worry is not this. My chief worry is that if I understood the election law right, only those parties within a coalition will be counted in the Senate race that pass 3%, plus one below 3%. For Unione, at the moment this means that Di Pietro's group will be the extra below 3%, and LA ROSA NEL PUGNO's 2.42% would be a big loss without equivalent on the other side.

I hope de Gondi or someone else can tell me that my interpretation is wrong...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:50:03 PM EST
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I think your interpretion is right but only at the regional level. So, it gets out if in a region it does not reach 3%. You will have to look region by region to know if the party is out of this particular region.

And this is the problem. If the difference is only 1% it all comes down to each region. If the difference is 2% is very unlikely that the majortiy of the seats would go to Berlusconi no matter what because the end of the tail of the distribution would benefit the left.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:05:33 PM EST
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No, in the Senate a coalition must pass with atleast 20% with atleast one party within the coalition with 3% or more. It does not matter in the Senate if there is less than 3% for minor coalition partners.

This is different in the House of Deputies where a party within a coalition must have atleast 2% on national level.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 07:14:07 PM EST
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50.28% to be exact. It stands 50.77% : 48.43%.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:32:29 PM EST
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61.72% to be exact. Narrowing... to 50.33% : 48.84%.

Final ratio prediction is now just 49.8% : 49.1%...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:11:39 PM EST
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Some say it is 49.8 for Berlusconi..

The fact is.. this is a tie. It all comes down to each region....

Porca miseria!!!

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:13:31 PM EST
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70.13% to be exact. Narrowing... to 49.95% : 49.24%.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:47:06 PM EST
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150.000 votes ahead.. if we keep this result we lose the Senate but win the camera!!!!

Go Prodi go!!!

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:56:17 PM EST
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If I understood the election law right, then LA ROSA NEL PUGNO's vote will be lost in the Senate race for the Left,with no equal-sized loss on the other side - a win for CdL...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:18:58 PM EST
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At 11.7%, the vote for the House widened to 54.15% : 45.17%.

Far-right: Lega at just 4.34%, Mussolini 0.6%.

If I got the election law on the the mini-parties below 2% right, then the left will lose just 0.4% more from the above totals than the right.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:27:03 PM EST
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At 20.165%, the ratio is: 53.79% : 45.66%

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:02:14 PM EST
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The horror... Nexus now predicts the House at 49.6% : 49.9% for B...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:40:27 PM EST
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At 33.98%, the ratio is: 52.53% : 46.86%

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:50:43 PM EST
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Sicily is highly underreported.

The present advantage of 2% is highly ficticious. Prodi has 350 K votes over Berlusconi... but half of it will be gone if Sicily would have counted the same ratio as the rest.

Unfortuantely no urban area is so undereported.

The real gap is roughly 1%. It will all come down to teach region....

This is going to be a long night. Only North regions going for Prodi in higher number on the second half of the count can change this dynamics.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:39:04 PM EST
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There are urban areas on Sicily, too!

But even if those won't go for CdL, we now have 40% counted and 120,000 advantage for CdL, at most 200,000 extra - while we can expect a similar amount from the North of the country for Unione!

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:45:16 PM EST
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This is exactly the projection giving a 50-49 if I do the numbers (roughly) correct.. I certainly hope it is right. 250 kvotes ahead effectively right now,a dn this difference reaching 400 kvotes by the end of the night. But not sure yet. 1% is too close for comfort.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 01:52:14 PM EST
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This is BAD!!!

Prodi loses in last projection.

It all comes down to each region and the present distribution is awful (with a  technichal tie 49.1 -50 for the right)

I am down. Speechless.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:11:02 PM EST
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How important is the Senate relative to the House?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:12:57 PM EST
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If Prodi loses the Senate he can not govern. Perfect bicameral system. You can not pass legislation without the Senate. New elections.

And now , there are contradictory reports...

It is oficaily a tie!!!!

It all go downs to each region....Jesus

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:15:37 PM EST
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I go to bed then... thank you all.

I will become a patissier, God willing.
by tuasfait on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:19:56 PM EST
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well.. my take is that Prodi has probably lost the senate even winning the total vote count by half a point...sorry for this kind of good-bye.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:21:48 PM EST
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With 22 million over 37 million votes Prodi wins the total vote by only 120 kvotes (half a point).

This makes him lose the Seante and put in danger the camera. Losing the senate means that he does not win but he does not lose either. Losing senate and camera..well he loses completely. And right now this could very well be the outcome.

Awful.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:33:34 PM EST
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Another nation of 18.5 million idiots. The West is doomed, I tell 'ya.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:44:43 PM EST
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The camera is still virtually a tie. Do not lose hope yet. Half point in the camera means everything. So it is going to be very very close... but it is not completely lost.

But yes.. ther are roughly 18.5 million ejem...

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:46:51 PM EST
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A total of 36 million. The difference between 17.9 million XXXX and 18.1 million XXXX is amazing. You lose or win an election

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Apr 10th, 2006 at 02:58:53 PM EST
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