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Read my last sentence again.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 02:53:38 PM EST
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Can you provide numbers on how many are left in the Czech state without citizenship and how many have citizenship?

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by darin (dkaloyanov[at]gmail.com) on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 06:13:45 AM EST
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This is a quick reply, don't have time for more now.

As explained, almost none were "left" in the Czech Republic after 2000. However, many of those excluded because they moved into other countries in the meantime (most of them to Slovakia) moved back. For those moving away, I found figures of 20,000-25,000, or 10% of the total; for total Roma immigrants from Slovakia (Czech Romas moving back + Slovakian Romas newly moving) I saw similar numbers. What I'm not clear about and would have to look up (as can also be seen from the termination of my account in 2000) is whether further changes have been made to the law around the time of the Czech Republic's joining of the EU.

BTW, last time I forgot to note two further nasty hurdles in the original law designed to hit poor Gypsies: the hefty legal prices involved ($300 per person) and the requirement of dual parental approval for children's applications (hitting both children of divorced and children in orphanages).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 12:59:34 PM EST
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That was really useful, thanks. And the laws you mentioned - really looks like gypsies will be hurt mostly. Do you think the laws were passed as they provide good anti-Roma policy or maybe they just weren't well designed?

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by darin (dkaloyanov[at]gmail.com) on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 01:11:41 PM EST
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In the first post, I put in a link to an article on the issue which includes actual quotes pointing to conscious intent. On the other hand, some lawmakers might have more thought about immigration of Roma from Slovakia than resident Romas, and the fate of the children in orphanages might well have been due to bad design. (This was remedied in the 1996 amendments.) Then again, the behaviour of the local courts that applied the lawwas most consciously racist.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 01:23:34 PM EST
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I should add: the circumstance that various NGOs and Gypsy organizations and international monitoring organisations pointed out the problems and demanded the repeal or radical change of the law from day one (e.g. from 1993), but change came slowly, implies that even if some effects weren't intended, they were welcomed by lawmakers. (Current President Klaus's party even voted against the 2000 amendments.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 05:43:19 AM EST
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