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Re: Bulgarian Gypsies (Counter Argument)! (none / 0)

...despite your desire not to move the discussion in that direction, only sound like prejudices.

Of course I prejudiced, that's why I am presenting the point of view of most of the East Europeans. Did I really lead the discussion into being a racist one? I wanted to discuss cultural differences and ways to address them.

Read what pavlovska said near the end of the discussion - I like how the gypsy population is helping itself in Macedonia - they have the desire to integrate.

About "hordes" of gypsies invading Europe - my personal bet will be that about a third of the Roma population will directly move out.

Be careful! Is it classified?

by darin (dkaloyanov[at]gmail.com) on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 06:23:31 AM EST
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Re: Bulgarian Gypsies (Counter Argument)! (none / 0)

The gypsy population has the desire to defend its interests, and "integrate" on their own terms as much as possible. Just like everyone else.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 06:25:28 AM EST
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Re: Bulgarian Gypsies (Counter Argument)! (none / 0)

I am presenting the point of view of most of the East Europeans.
...
my personal bet will be that about a third of the Roma population will directly move out.

Not susprisingly.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 06:27:28 AM EST
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Re: Bulgarian Gypsies (Counter Argument)! (none / 0)

My questions remain:
What's your solutions to the problems you perceive?
What are your suggestions for improving the situation?

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 09:37:22 AM EST
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Re: Bulgarian Gypsies (Counter Argument)! (none / 0)

Alexandra, I already replied several times - I don't have a solution, and that's why I raised the issue. I like the Macedonian example several posts down - integrating the Roma population seems like a really good idea, but they started integrating by their own initiative. I don't see that in Bulgaria. Maybe we must analyze what provoked the Macedonian Roma to create NGO's and schools for Roma.

Be careful! Is it classified?

by darin (dkaloyanov[at]gmail.com) on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 11:10:16 AM EST
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Re: Bulgarian Gypsies (Counter Argument)! (none / 0)

You need to chew on this, then:

Aid workers estimate that 90-95 percent of Roma in Bulgaria are chronically unemployed, hampered by illiteracy and prejudice, and the overall economic slump. There are some Roma "barons," flashy dressers in shining luxury sedans, scorned by their kin for their aloofness. And about 117 Roma non-governmental organizations distribute international aid, often to little effect. Nor are Roma political leaders setting a good example, engaged as they are in ego-polishing and personal wars.

There are about seven different problems that need to be overcome.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 19th, 2006 at 11:16:29 AM EST
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Re: Bulgarian Gypsies (Counter Argument)! (4.00 / 2)

Only seven? :) I like pavlovska's solution with the NGO's - a trend that emerged in Macedonia.

Be careful! Is it classified?

by darin (dkaloyanov[at]gmail.com) on Thu Apr 20th, 2006 at 03:56:21 AM EST
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