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I have noticed that there is quite a division on the issue of gypsies in Bulgaria.

Non-Bulgarians are generally inclined to think that we (Bulgarians) are discriminating gypsies because of racial/ethnic prejudice, and we are to blame for their bad condition.

Bulgarians, on the other hand... True, Bulgarians may be biased about the topic, but do not forget one essential fact: we actually live here. We know from personal experience what the situation is like.

From MY personal experience: gypsies prefer todo everything the easy way. There have been many cases when gypsies were offered jobs (relatively good ones), and arable land (of quite decent quality). They refused all that! They stated clearly that they wanted money... and not just once. They wanted regular cash inflows, without them actually doing anything to earn it.

There have been gypsies coming to my door, asking for "help for the poor." Poor??? They wore stylish clothes... one of them even had blonded hair! And if you offer them food or clothes? They refuse it! They explicitly say that they do not want food and/or clothes - they want money.

A story from my grandfather: he talked to a gypsy boy that begged on the streets of my home town. He asked him "what do you buy with the momney you earn here?" The boy told him that his parents would take all the money he earned, and buy booze with them. Then, they would get drunk and beat him for "not bringing enough money home."

And my personal observations show that the majority of gypsies are of that type. I have lived here for 21 years, and I have witnessed many expressions of the "gypsy culture."

I will post some more examples later... until then, take a look at the photo at the top of this page. What kind of mother would ever leave her child as dirty as the one on that photo?

by Gatekeeper on Sat Apr 15th, 2006 at 02:08:13 PM EST
In fact they keep their children dirty because they know this will elicit sympathy and maybe money...so they do it on purpose. I do not help such hypocritical people.
by Leader on Sat Apr 15th, 2006 at 02:59:41 PM EST
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And you really believe these nonsens?
It is hard to discus things with people who does not have real arguments. When you do not know real facts there is nothing to talk about. One know-nothing stupid can ask more questions than a thousand professors can answer...as we say politely in Flanders.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Mon Apr 17th, 2006 at 06:41:21 PM EST
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So what is your argument?! I say this because I know this is the way it is. I live here and not you. It is very easy to talk about all this from Flanders, 1500 km away from here...why don't you come here and I'll show you gypsies.
by Leader on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 04:20:27 AM EST
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Not so fast... we have gypsy's here too.
I met gypsy's reguraly during my childhood and youth (1960's) since they were trekking from town to town and village to village here in Flanders to sell things and repair stuff (the throw-away society was not invented yet)
I loved their horse-pulled colorfull wagons and the feeling of freedom they brought with them, since their same aged as me were not forced in a rigid catholic school.
My parents were openminded and had no objection as we played together and sang with them around the fires when they camped near our town.
As so many western boys I tryed to play guitar in that period (Dylan, Beetles ...coming up) but gave it up when I heard the music of Django Reinhardt, also a gypsy (agreed not a Roma but Sinti).Django played with Duke Ellington, B.B.King and many others and influenced  the modern music till today with his gipsy-style music (ask any good guitar player, they know Django).
There are still Roma , Sinti and other gypsy people around here. The horses and camp-fires disappeared , and they are only allowed to stay on dedicated places with their mobil-homes. Some settled and live in our towns.
We have racists in Flanders, and the idea that gipsy's are not thrustworthy, thieves, living of our social securety......is still wide-spread. But the same things are said of the immigrants of other country's, especially Africans and Arabs.

There are other story's too: political ; Last year there was a high-level diplomatic incident between Bulgaria and Belgium concerning the Roma : dig that story out....very educating...

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 05:41:03 AM EST
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Yes, and let's not forget 2005 Tory PM-hopeful Howard (himself a Hungarian Jewish immigrant, BTW) who made railing against "travellers" a new element of to Tories' xenophobic election rhetoric.

However, the situation of Gypsies is much worse in formerly communist countries. Two top reasons are the former regimes' policies to settle and blind-employ (employ without giving real work to them) Romas, and that they were the first to be fired and last to be hired in the post-'communist' economic collapse.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Apr 18th, 2006 at 06:45:03 AM EST
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You want it play dirty ? well start with this one : Hundreds of thousends of Roma where murdered in the holocaust....nobody defended them.
For your own mental-sanity sake, start reading about the Roma.....and come back not before two months.



The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Mon Apr 17th, 2006 at 07:01:07 PM EST
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