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If I'm looking at the right Ashley Seager article here are the numbers he uses:
His [Dominique de Villepin] motivation was clear: to try to do something about France's chronic youth unemployment, which is running at 23%, rising to 50% among the children of immigrants in the suburbs that burnt last summer. Unemployment among the whole population is 9.2%, almost double the rate in Britain. Employment levels are also very low in France, at 64% of the workforce, compared with a record high of 72% in Britain, on internationally standardised numbers.

I am amazed by Ashley Seager's, Guardian Economics Editor, statement:
"I had in fact looked into the issue of French in further education and was informed by several experts that the ILO figures I was quoting adjust for those kinds of things. I also think that if French youth unemployment were genuinely as low as the Briscoe piece claims, the French government would have jumped on those figures long ago. "

It just doesn't make any sense ILO figures allow for international comparisons but you need to include the labor force participation rate into the comparison so you know what percentage of the total population is used for the unemployment and employment statistics.  In the case of adults in labor markets that are mostly based on the formal sector the labor force participation rate (that is the number of people who are looking for work or currently employed) is usually pretty high but in the case of youth or in countries with large informal sectors or subsistence farming sectors it's key to doing any analysis of unemployment/employment data.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Mon Apr 24th, 2006 at 01:00:32 PM EST
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It's astonishingly ignorant.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 24th, 2006 at 01:03:57 PM EST
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yes I'm rather baffled.
by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Mon Apr 24th, 2006 at 02:51:43 PM EST
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Oh. I'm not: it's about par for the course. Checking facts is hard work.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 24th, 2006 at 03:37:28 PM EST
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Are you being ironic? It's not about checking facts as much as just understanding how unemployment is measured.
by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 11:40:09 AM EST
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No, I'm not being ironic. Though I think I just went into shock: you seem to think that journalists need domain knowledge to write about stuff. They're like managers: a good journalist can write about anything.

More seriously, if this is the standard of knowledge possessed by a senior economic journalist on one of the serious papers I absolutely despair. It took me a few moments to check the definitions on the ILO site. I'm not a domain expert, but I can read.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 11:45:45 AM EST
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I agree journalists are about researching a topic they may know nothing about. I just had assumed that understanding how unemployment is measured is part of an economics correspondent's basic background knowledge.

However, I'll admit that I may be biased since I work on unemployment issues and that economic correspondents have plenty of other economic related items to keep in their heads. Nevertheless, as you point out, the ILO does give fairly clear definitions of how it's measures are calculated.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 12:31:26 PM EST
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I think that in this case part of it is that people think they know what unemployment means. Most people citing the statistic don't.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 12:46:59 PM EST
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I agree. It's one of those unknown unknowns unlike the known unknowns.
by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 01:58:02 PM EST
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I missed this useful exchange of comments until now. I think we have to realize that "economics" or "business" journalists are (like TV newscasters) there to tell us stories, not to inform us or bring us checked facts.

I've complained about Ashley Seager in the past, and again on the article you link to, Alexandra. The whole thing is appalling. Yet Seager's response to Ted Welch (see above) shows he does not care.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 at 11:30:11 AM EST
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