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When did Russia (not the USSR) invade and occupy another sovereign nation?

Actually, it could be argued that at least Moldova (Transdniestria) and Georgia (Abkhazia, Northern Ossetia, and Adjuria) were invaded and occupied in the past 15 years...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon May 1st, 2006 at 05:00:39 PM EST
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All the places you mention have ethnic Russians as either the majority or a very large minority.

Defending your citizens' interests cannot be compared to, say, France's imperialist escapade into Algeria.

by slaboymni on Mon May 1st, 2006 at 07:00:44 PM EST
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  1. I take it that you admit that Russia did invade sovereign countries
  2. I also take it that you approve of such actions
  3. Wow.

It's the same logic that justified the Anschluss, you know.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon May 1st, 2006 at 07:18:03 PM EST
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Um, did you drop your monitor today or something ;-)

Where did I say that Russia invaded sovereign countries?  Russia has spent most of its time defending itself from European invading powers.  That's one of the reasons for its mistrust of huge European alliances like the EU.

I am the biggest pacificist you are likely to meet, which, by the way, got me into big trouble in the US military.  But, hey, it was they who turned me into the pacifist.

Double wow.

by slaboymni on Mon May 1st, 2006 at 07:24:29 PM EST
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Well, I specifically mentioned military occupation/interventions in Moldova and Georgia, and you responded that there were Russians there, which I (pretty naturally, I think) understood as justification of said occupation/interventions, meant not to "invade", but to "protect" Russians.

So if my interpretation was wrong, how would you describe Russian "interventions" in the territories I mentioned? Was Russia invaded or attacked by Moldova or Georgia?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon May 1st, 2006 at 07:28:49 PM EST
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What "military interventions" in Moldova and Georgia are you talking about?  I don't know of any recent ones (maybe you mean in 1848-1849, in Moldova?).  Therefore, I took you to mean general citizenship rights for ethnic Russians - which all of these states, as well as the supposedly democratic baltic states (who are in the EU for some reason), refuse to grant.
by slaboymni on Mon May 1st, 2006 at 07:35:03 PM EST
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It can be argued that Transdniestria, Abkhazia, Northern Ossetia, and Adjuria were invaded, raped and pillaged by Georgia and Moldova.

Techically every peacekeeping mission can be considered an occupation, however, in those cases territory of republics of Transdniestria, Abkhazia, Northern Ossetia is being controlled by local police and Russian peacekeepers only involved in points of contact between those republics and Georgia/Moldova.

Unfortunately, both Georgia and Moldova have little to offer to those republics at this point. Neither economically, with Moldova being the poorest country in Europe and Georgia being a failed state, nor politically - they just not prepared to give any meaningful state of autonomy.

by blackhawk on Mon May 1st, 2006 at 11:56:01 PM EST
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