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So what newspapers are you guys writing to?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 04:35:35 AM EST
Do you have suggestions?

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 05:26:00 AM EST
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I have an idea. This letter-writing business is best done

  • after someone notices a story soon enough (not days later),
  • alerts others who would be willing to email the paper,
  • and after a little ET brainstorming.

So special diaries OR 'debates' could be started with an "LTTE: ..." subject line. This would be especially good for me, who mostly catches stories worth to respond to late - unlike you.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 05:43:12 AM EST
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I was hestiant to voice same sentiments. My personal  reservations are that I feel skilled into one terrain (earth sciences) and that credibility becomes an issue on others.

A Rapid Response team such as DoDo suggests includes a team of people who flag issues and then moves into Operational Research and pooling of information by others to facillitate the process.

If only everyone could be on-line as early as Fran, we would have one mean lean machine...
 

by Nomad on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 06:02:38 AM EST
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If we reply on the same day, that's still good.

But one problem that is not just mine is missing a lot of threads where 'commentable' themes come up, including some Breakfast thread which I miss (scared of its sheer volume by then) when I get to ET later in the day. So special LTTE threads could be worth it just as pointers.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 06:24:32 AM EST
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It not only takes being early on-line but also, sorry to insist on that, to have the luxury of time.
At the risk of being provocative, for me it would imply at least one of the following :
  1. not have to earn money for a living
  2. not have the family life quality I aim at
  3. not have any of the charity work occupations I have recently got involved into.
So yes, this is an excellent idea, and I envy and heartily support those of you who are able to turn it into action.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 07:06:11 AM EST
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4. Not having to commute.

Works for me.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 07:09:33 AM EST
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Sorry, you're right, I forgot the 4),  which also applies to myself.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 07:13:52 AM EST
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...wil have a hoot when she discovers this thread. The difference between theory and practice in practice, indeed.
by Nomad on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 08:42:55 AM EST
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...that ET at current capability simply lacks the necessary manpower to bring such schemes to fruition. ET is not DailyKos (yet). The framework is there, but the desks are empty. At an average of 1800 visitors per day (but still growing), the working crowd is simply spread too thin to make it operational in full force. As you (Agnes) stresses, this type of activity remains voluntarily. 30 to 60 minutes ET acticity per day is a sizable chunk in itself, although an ET Rapid Response is doable with enough people enthusiastically pitching in with insights or comments.

But there's  nothing provocative about being realistic... I'd say we can sketch out the framework DoDo proposes and fill in the gaps as ET develops. I also believe there's a chance it's a flywheel process: even if it starts small, it can attract readers and contributors, brining in more people to expand activities, etc.

by Nomad on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 08:57:30 AM EST
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I say go for it, and it will start small, but that shouldn't stop you.

One thing that the US grassroots is good at is letter-writing, and it doesn't take as much time as you think.  In fact, the shorter your letter, the more likely it is to be published. (I have a friend that got up everyday and wrote a LTE first thing in the morning.)

What you need to start with, before heading straight into letter-writing, is compiling lists of resources: contacts of major European media outlets and of political representatives. Start with the obvious but also try to compile nation & region specific resources.  

And also a "how to" on letter writing.

Rather than reading everything, just posts alerts when you have read something aggregious, along with talking points about why it is aggregious, and contact info.  You can do this as diaries (as Jerome has been doing) & set up a sep. box on the right for LTE alerts.  Or you can start an e-mail list.

Which is what the Rapid Response Network has done.  I rec. you check them out and ask for pointers if you are serious about this.

http://rapidresponsenetwork.org/

And I cannot emphasize this enough, but ET needs serious cross-pollination with other groups.  Blogs like Bella Ciao and I'm sure there are pro-France, -EU, etc blogs out there you could work with.

Daily kos did not just happen to get so big.  After the primaries Dean, Clark, Edwards people came there looking for a home.  Then the Kerry and Deibold people flocked there.  Tons of grassroots, political and activist organizations convene there.  One sto-shopping.  Even looking at RRN, it was born of Dean, PDA, and other organizations.  

I think the quality of debate here at ET is outstanding enough to ensure that ET would not be diminished by working with other groups.  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 12:47:19 PM EST
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I haven't read Colman's post on faireurope yet, although I can make a tentative guess and on what it will build on...

Even with the Daily Kos analogue, I see problematic developments for here in Europe - the EU will not "federalise" much further at this point, I believe. Europe is up to different challenges and much more divided by cultural differences (or what about language barriers?) than the USA is... But it's very late over here, and I tend to get gloomy at these hours.

I now scanned through Colman's initial post and much of what you wrote comes back again. Let's see if I can recap:

  1. List of resources
  2. Writing letters for dummies
  3. A system for flagging
  4. Cross-pollination (Bella Ciao seems at first sight very interesting!)

I can memorise this list and work with it, give a beep when I forgot something... I'll bring back contacting the guys from Rapid Response into Colman's thread. I'm through with re-inventing the wheel for the 100th time...
by Nomad on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 09:06:37 PM EST
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ET is not DailyKos (yet).
But if EuroTrib were like Daily Kos... well, I think it would be a lot like Daily Kos, and I'd probably lose about 80% of my interest.
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What the world desperately needs, I am convinced, is a medium a lot like this one in some respects, but differing in having scalable and flexible dynamics for group entry, exit, and overlap, -- this being combined with an improved set of community-building, discourse-debugging, and integrated Wiki-like collaborative tools. In aggregate, changes at this software-framework level hold promise of substantially improving the quality of community discussion and output -- including rapid responses of the sort under discussion at the moment.

Unfortunately, I've found it hard to get this topic itself discussed, and find that many blogpersons take their current medium for granted, saying (to slip into metaphor) that clay tablets and styli are just fine, thank you. This, despite the enormously beneficial innovation we've seen in just the last 5 years.

Ooops, now I'm once again urging that we examine and take the potential of new technology seriously. Damn.

/rant

Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.

by technopolitical on Thu May 11th, 2006 at 03:15:15 AM EST
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ET is not DailyKos (yet).
And good thing it isn't. If you had said "it's not as large as Daily Kos" we might have a debate, even on "as influential as DKos". But DKos is just too partisan.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 11th, 2006 at 03:29:49 AM EST
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Bob and Colman are good about making front-page stories out of breakfast items...

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 06:09:06 AM EST
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The only way this can work is to fire off the letter in the morning, right after reading the paper. In this case, I wrote the full deconstruction of the article, posted it as a story, wrote immediately to the FT, and posted that letter as a comment.

I suppose I could post the draft letter as a comment before sending it off, and get it polished by the readers then on the site. This can work only if the comments come reasonably quickly, in order to keep the momentum of the endeavor (and not be caught by other activities of the day).

So I'll try to do that next time.

The other option is to try to polish some comments from the Breakfast threads into something more LTE-compliant. That could be easy and done by anyone.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 11:07:33 AM EST
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Just remember J, your...well...you! You've got the Midas touch with writing, is what I'm trying to say.

But anyway, I do wonder if we could put "letters to the editor contact info" in the wiki, or in our menu somewhere, so we have ready access to that. Also, how about our favorite journailists addresses?

ideas, anyone?

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 03:31:16 PM EST
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This was a request from Alexandra in Wmass and I've made a half-hearted attempt to restyle my diary, but am not satisfied. It's not crisp enough, nor do I want to make a full-scale bash out of the article in the first place - since the point was raised that any education on global climate change anywhere is helpful to sway minds.

In any case, congratulations to you Jerome. Add one to the score for you.

by Nomad on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 05:55:22 AM EST
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Great job, Jerome.  I enjoyed this.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 10:34:39 PM EST
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