Hear hear. Neither I nor De are advocates of cars :-)
even if the number of deaths is in dispute, the policy consequences have happened nevertheless.
Yes, but policies aren't for eternity. There is significant counter-push in both Sweden and Germany and Britain, for example. Thus how successful anti-nuclear adocates are remains to be seen. On the other side, crash tests, the spread of roundabouts outside France and Britain, the serialisation of ABS and airbags, and the consequent significant reduction in traffic deaths in European countries signal that road safety advocates have an effect, too. (If you'd protest this effect is slow to unable to percipitate into worst affected developig countries, then I have to point out that the same would be true to stringent Finnish-style nuclear safety rules would a nuclear rennaissance include a major buildup in the Third World.)
Can we mention other causes of massive death tolls (on the basis of "we are willing to do something about Chernobyl, let's do something for another, even bigger problem") or is this seen as an attempt at somehow reducing the importance of the Chernobyl toll?
If it is not posed as a false dichotomy, I at least wouldn't oppose using such rhetoric. But, would coal (in its least environmental-controlled form) be posited as 'the' alternative to nuclear, then I would of course disapprove. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
would coal (in its least environmental-controlled form) be posited as 'the' alternative to nuclear, then I would of course disapprove.
Why "would"? Not only it very obviosuly IS, it's already happening. There are 2 nuclear plants being built (or decide) in the Western world, and somethign like 150 coal plants under way. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
What business do you work in again? *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
I am pointing out the fact that coal-fired plants ARE being built left and right. Wind farms are also being built, but nowhere nearly enough of them to avoid the coal plants, sadly.
In the US, a number of gas-fired plants are switched to coal when it is feasible. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
In response to a complaint that coal is painted 'the' alternative to nuclear by some. It's not the fact, it's the relevance. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
As long as the debate is on "what to build" (supply-side issues rather than demande side issues) and that wind is not seen as a reliable (nor, by many, cheap) baseload source, then politicians and utilities will choose between coal and nuclear.
Coal is much less opposed than nuclear, and thus coal is being built. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
Yes, that's why I didn't claim you actually made that claim, only that it can be read thus.
That unnecessarily and unfairly constrains the debate to the narrowness of most politicians' views about wind power and load distribution today. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
I decry this as (a) defeatist and (b) rhetorical blackmail :-) I think there are plenty of practical reasons why nuke plants cannot possibly meet the imminent energy shortfall, and plenty of practical reasons why coal is a huge mistake. Either one, to me, is a disastrous choice -- like being forced to choose Bush or Blair for World President. But we'll have to do some more reading and reasoning together to present, and wrangle over, these points. The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
I've heard that Migeru may be looking into this :)
BTW, I ordered Fallen Dragon today, per your recommendation. Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.