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Oh, brother. The document was such an obvious forgery that anybody with eyes and a copy of Microsoft Word can see it. There was no such "typewriter that could do it" found. The whole thing was indeed stupid, but the document itself was clearly and unarguably a simplistic forgery. There is no reality-based argument otherwise at this point, so I think your tinfoil hat is on a bit tight...
by asdf on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 07:34:47 PM EST
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Even the 200-page CBS report on 'Rathergate' couldn't find evidence of forgery (they could only blame Rather et al for not checking the story properly), so you've been sucker for propaganda.

IIRC there was even a dKos diary pointing out that there are differences between Microsoft Word and seventies variable-spaced typewriter font, and the 'Rathergate' documents were like the latter. I will dig up this and the document I checked for myself tomorrow.

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by DoDo on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 07:55:16 PM EST
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Not so fast there. I for one am aware of at least two experts who disagree with you, one of whom I used to know a bit, and who was not a liberal.

No, I don't have links -- this is ancient history now by online standards. And I know zilch about this stuff myself.

But while a good case can be made that the documents were indeed forged, the argument remains wide open.

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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 08:00:50 PM EST
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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 09:31:42 PM EST
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Apparently none of you have a copy of Microsoft Word. Seriously, you have been completely taken in by the tinfoil hat crowd on this...
by asdf on Thu May 4th, 2006 at 10:44:32 PM EST
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That you could make this document in Microsoft Word?

That's the logical fallacy known as affirming the consequent.

Let p be the proposition that the document was forged with MS. That obviously entails the possibility of doing so (q): p --> q.

But you can't infer from q to p. Ab esse ad posse valet consequentia, a posse ad esse non valet consequentia, as the good ol' scholastics would say.

What you need to show is that the document couldn't have been produced using equipment available at the time whence it ostensibly derives. Check out the link I provided upthread for an argument that it could.

The whole MS thing is at most a heuristic with no real evidentiary force. Furthermore, the analysis I linked to (which I'm not admittedly not qualified to evaluate) claims that MS Word can not in fact convincingly emulate the document.

I personally lean agnostic, but if I were forced to place a bet, my kroner would be on authenticity.

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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 01:23:13 AM EST
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Please. Have you even read my reply?

If you believe the documents were forgeries written with Microsoft Word, read this dKos diary - it also mentions the differences between MS Word and IBM Times New Roman fonts I referred to.

An exhaustive analysis of those other Bush documents that were released by the White House can be read here. This is an analysis based on the Air Force and recruitment office regulations of the time, which found evidence of a number of violations - change in status without Bush fulfilling the requirements, mandated disciplinary action or status change not implemented, even fudging with dates and designations.

When I checked on the claims in the WaPo by myself, I looked at a document from this White House-released material, one with multiple lines from different typewriters - this one (click for large version):

Check the second entry, for 4Sep68. What do I see? A raised th, which according to WaPo was rare, yet here it is in a not even variable-spaced font. Next, compare the seventh and eighth entries. You'll see the different t-s, l-s, U-s, f-s and 1-s. Also check t-s and f-s in this Killian document and compare them with Microsoft Word's...

Finally, here are the letter typefaces of IBM's Selectric typewriter:



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by DoDo on Fri May 5th, 2006 at 06:23:22 AM EST
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