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Hardly Robin Hood's given that they stole luxury goods largely useless to the poor. Champagne ??!! Sorry, that is not what poor people need.

A fun stunt I'm sure, but it sounds like it was more by way of a free feast for themselves.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 05:55:09 AM EST
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Hardly Robin Hood's given that they stole luxury goods largely useless to the poor. Champagne ??!!

I don't think the poor desire to enjoy luxuries any less than the rich. Emergency rations of dried bread for the poor, champagne and salmon for the rich, that's still a rather ugly class system. Besides, another point of such a protest is the obscenely high price of food for the rich, which could have fed dozens to thousands of poor with 'normal' food.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 08:29:03 AM EST
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I didn't mean to imply that poor people didn't want to have access to luxury items, it was just that anybody really concerned for their welfare would have made different choices.

However your second point about the relatively high price of luxury food in the proximity of such deprivation needed to be made. But that leads to a wider connection these people seemed reluctant to draw.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:05:15 AM EST
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But that leads to a wider connection these people seemed reluctant to draw.

!?

I thought that conclusion was obvious in the story. Maybe we have a cultural issue here?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:07:24 AM EST
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BTW, what appears to be the original of Indy's article appeared in the Hamburger Morgenpost. I see Indy shortened it a bit, messed up some minor details and was imprecise in translation.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:16:05 AM EST
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I also checked an on-line forum for German jobless, where this was quoted, and the overwhelming majority commented positively.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:19:28 AM EST
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I also found a short 'action report' issued by an apparent participant. (In German!) Their letter was a lot longer than quoted in the news articles, and 'explained' the superhero costumes to symbolise the struggle of the working poor under Germany's new 'flexibilised' labour rules.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:28:39 AM EST
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Besides, another point of such a protest is the obscenely high price of food for the rich, which could have fed dozens to thousands of poor with 'normal' food.

That doesn't make any sense to me. What normal food could the champagne be turned into? Do you mean it's obscene that some people can afford it and others can't?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:23:27 AM EST
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It's the money, not the champagne, that feeds the poor with normal food.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:26:51 AM EST
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Yep. Sorry for not realising this can be read two ways in English.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:30:45 AM EST
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They'd be better off protesting the obscenely low price and quality of food for the poor.

There's a thought that hadn't occurred to me: modern industrial farming reduces the price of subsistence for workers to a very low level, reducing the theoretical minimum wage that they can be paid. If base-line food was more expensive you'd have to pay the poor more or they'd starve, fail to reproduce and you'd run out of workers.  Or at least have to outsource overseas.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:28:32 AM EST
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Why not both? A fish shipped halfway around the world to be sold for €100 is no less polluting way of feeding than eating factory food.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:35:33 AM EST
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No, but it doesn't really matter if it's expensive: not many people can afford it so it's a small part of the problem. Luxury foods have always been shipped around the place and always will. It's the mass shipping of stuff and the mass feeding of crap to the poor that's really a problem.

I'm not entirely sure what that protest is meant to achieve. It wasn't clear from the article I read.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:41:39 AM EST
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not many people can afford it so it's a small part of the problem.

If it is a per capita fifty times bigger problem, then that not many can afford it is not really an argument.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:48:40 AM EST
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What? We either have wires crossed here or I'm going mad.

If (say) 1% of people can afford to have a fish shipped to them then that is  a much smaller problem than the 99% of people having Thai chicken fillets shipped to them. Which problem do you solve first? Which is actually a problem?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:57:04 AM EST
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???

If producing luxury foods for one person wastes 50 times more resources than producing cheap factory food for one person, and 1% buy luxury foods while the rest eats factory food, then it's 50 to 99 - two big problems.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 10:32:37 AM EST
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It diverts resources away from producing food that might feed the poor.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:52:50 AM EST
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And we're short of food to feed the poor?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 09:55:35 AM EST
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If we're to produce it organically rather than factory-style, then it may be.

On the other hand, I see I led the debate off-track with ill-chosen words. The issue wasn't really food, it was social differences, and who benefits and who enjoys what is produced. I translate some more from the letter of the guys:

...Superflex is familiar with all kinds of work contracts: part-time, full-time, practicum. All the stress led to a welcome mutation of his molecules. Operaistorix survived the last few years with an unemployment module. Thanks to his unheard-of agility, he managed so far to avoid visits by the Labor Office and One-Euro-Jobs. The mutant body of SpiderMum was born somewhere between daycare, unpaid and paid cleaning. Cleaning agents and washing mop turn into weapons in her hand. Santa Guevara detracts himself from controls and disappears without a trace. That way, he manages to escape the boredom of callcenters and university seminars again and again.

...without the abilities of superheroes, it is impossible to survive in the city of millionaires [some Hamburg districts are Germany's top gated communities for the richest]. Altough we produce the richness of Hamburg City, we don't have much of it. This doesn't have to stay so. ...the places of richness are as numerous as the possibilities to take away this richness. One question remains: where do you apply your superhero powers? Simply just come to the Euromaydayparade on 1 May...



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 10:53:42 AM EST
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We're not. Famine is a political, not economic issue (Amartya Sen dixit)

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 9th, 2006 at 03:42:16 PM EST
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