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Let me point out that the victim association is split now. Basically, each region of spain has broken with the central board that rules the victim association.

Also point out that other smaller victim associations and regional boards have been very vocal and critic of the present board for his links to the rigth-wing party PP.

SO, if the demonstration was about how many victims do share the message, I would see a majority but not a very clear majority (at the spanish level). At the catalan level , the support by ETA victims to the national victim association is almost non-existent.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 03:53:23 AM EST
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"Let's sacrifice another thousand troops in Iraq so the twenty five hundred who have died so far will not have done so in vain"?

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:28:38 AM EST
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But aren't peace talks about the future, and not clinging to the past. As South Africa demonstrates, you only get peace and reconciliation when you accept that you cannot live in the past anymore.

N Ireland's continuing low-level tragedy is that it cannot accept that the past is gone and only the future can be changed. The demands of long term peace and short term justice cannot always be reconciled and it requires bravery to seek the harder path for the long term. Cowards hide behind victims for short term gain.

By embracing these demands to reject discussions they effectively reject the hope of a peaceful future for an unattainable victory in the name of the past.

they are fools.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:29:09 AM EST
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It would be really easy for Britons to understand it if they cared: it's like confusing Britain and England, and over the last couple of weeks there has been a controversy over a "flag ban" over concerns that flying the English flag might "offend" the other nationalities within Britain.

It's really not caring to know rather than inability to understand.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:38:51 AM EST
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Sorry, reply to the wrong comment... Gnomes delete parent, please?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:39:28 AM EST
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I went to delete the parent...but it takes out yours and Alex's...so will leave it...

Half the population is under the age of 18. Tanzania's future is NOW...join the 50% campaign!
by whataboutbob on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:59:40 AM EST
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Ok I re-posted my comment in the right place, you can delete this sub-thread bob!
by Alex in Toulouse on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:02:08 AM EST
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Yes, I reposted everything now.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:04:57 AM EST
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I must admit I still don't get the British isles nationalities. I understand Bretons, Alsaciens, Corsicans, Basques, Catalans as distinct cultural entities, but not as "nations". They are part of the nation of France, just like Wales is part of the United Kingdom.

But then I understand "New Caledonia" as a nation, so I guess I could easily make the jump and declare Welsh their own nation. At what point should I make the jump? (I must admit I don't know why I consider New Caledonia to be its own nation, but distance probably helps subconsciously). When there is a local parliament? But then if that parliament has to follow national laws, then doesn't that equate to Regional Councils? And then what about the US? Is Utah a nation?

[/argh]

by Alex in Toulouse on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:43:43 AM EST
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What I do understand is that this gives the Brits more chances of winning a football or rugby world cup.
by Alex in Toulouse on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:44:31 AM EST
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Actually, if England had subsumed Wales and had Ryan Giggs in various competitions in the last 15 years...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:05:03 AM EST
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Arrgh! we're trying to kill this subthread: repost your comment in the right place!

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:09:37 AM EST
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Bob, you can delete this thread, my comment will be reposted.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:11:19 AM EST
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No offence meant, but this just means you have no idea of British history ;-)

BTW, you replied to a post of mine which was in reply to the wrong post... maybe you could cross-post to the right place?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:46:37 AM EST
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