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But aren't peace talks about the future, and not clinging to the past. As South Africa demonstrates, you only get peace and reconciliation when you accept that you cannot live in the past anymore.

N Ireland's continuing low-level tragedy is that it cannot accept that the past is gone and only the future can be changed. The demands of long term peace and short term justice cannot always be reconciled and it requires bravery to seek the harder path for the long term. Cowards hide behind victims for short term gain.

By embracing these demands to reject discussions they effectively reject the hope of a peaceful future for an unattainable victory in the name of the past.

they are fools.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:29:09 AM EST
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It would be really easy for Britons to understand it if they cared: it's like confusing Britain and England, and over the last couple of weeks there has been a controversy over a "flag ban" over concerns that flying the English flag might "offend" the other nationalities within Britain.

It's really not caring to know rather than inability to understand.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:38:51 AM EST
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Sorry, reply to the wrong comment... Gnomes delete parent, please?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:39:28 AM EST
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I went to delete the parent...but it takes out yours and Alex's...so will leave it...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:59:40 AM EST
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Ok I re-posted my comment in the right place, you can delete this sub-thread bob!
by Alex in Toulouse on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:02:08 AM EST
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Yes, I reposted everything now.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:04:57 AM EST
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I must admit I still don't get the British isles nationalities. I understand Bretons, Alsaciens, Corsicans, Basques, Catalans as distinct cultural entities, but not as "nations". They are part of the nation of France, just like Wales is part of the United Kingdom.

But then I understand "New Caledonia" as a nation, so I guess I could easily make the jump and declare Welsh their own nation. At what point should I make the jump? (I must admit I don't know why I consider New Caledonia to be its own nation, but distance probably helps subconsciously). When there is a local parliament? But then if that parliament has to follow national laws, then doesn't that equate to Regional Councils? And then what about the US? Is Utah a nation?

[/argh]

by Alex in Toulouse on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:43:43 AM EST
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What I do understand is that this gives the Brits more chances of winning a football or rugby world cup.
by Alex in Toulouse on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:44:31 AM EST
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Actually, if England had subsumed Wales and had Ryan Giggs in various competitions in the last 15 years...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:05:03 AM EST
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Arrgh! we're trying to kill this subthread: repost your comment in the right place!

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:09:37 AM EST
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Bob, you can delete this thread, my comment will be reposted.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 06:11:19 AM EST
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No offence meant, but this just means you have no idea of British history ;-)

BTW, you replied to a post of mine which was in reply to the wrong post... maybe you could cross-post to the right place?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 05:46:37 AM EST
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