Display:
I must say I can understand Juncker's exasperation with the British, though the Danes and Poles are hardly better. But the Constitution is only part of the more fundamental problem.

In my view, the way some EU countries' governments plotted their participation in the illegal Iraq war without even consulting the other EU members was a profound betrayal of the European idea, an action which has dealt the EU deep and still festering wound. I know that I do not like to be associated, through the EU, with  governments who were and are involved in Bush's conspiracy. Now the revelations about the rendition flights add new aspects to the general disillusion. With a discredited and unprincipled political class in almost every EU country,is it any wonder that the public loses trust in these politicians' projects?  

I believe it is past time the UK, Denmark, Poland and Romania made up their mind whether they want to be associated with the EU on the majority's terms, in good faith, or rather prefer to cleave to the USA  and its neoliberal gospel and aggressive doctrine. Their dual loyalties and ulterior motives are harmful for the EU. As long as these trust issues are not sorted out, it seems pointless to argue about the timetable for the Constitution and similar technicalities.  

by MaryinHongkong on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 11:09:24 AM EST
Governments pass but countries remain... Asnar and Burlesconi were instrumental and were voted out. And Barroso, the host of the infamous Açores summit, is now at the helm of the EU Commission.

It is entirely possible that opposition to the US will be the required new organizing principle for progress in European integration, but it will take a lot more brutality from the US and a new generation of political leaders in Europe. NATO has to go.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 11:20:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
NATO should be demolished, anyway.  It is absolutely pointless.  The Cold War is over.  The evil Commies are gone.  Europe does not need the US to protect it, and the US government needs to stop wasting money, especially as it relates to the military.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 02:00:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Cold War is over? Quickly, someone tell the Vice President!

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 02:04:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I know, I know.  But, if it weren't Russia, the neocons would need another bogeyman.  It's a fact of life for totalitarians.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 02:18:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The problems of the EU began before George W. Bush became President of the United States.

The British population reacted to Bush much the same as that of other European nations. If Blair had taken a line like Chirac or Schroeder about Iraq, he would probably be more popular at home than he now is.

Rendition demonstrates that most European governments do not want to annoy the Americans. I am not aware that any of them have seriously tried to stop the flights or raise them in the European Council.

My next comments relate to the European Union as it is rather than to the federal Europe I would prefer.

Britain has as much right as any other member state to argue for its vision of the EU's future. Although I would like my country to rebalance its foreign policy more towards Europe and less to the United States, I do not think we can give automatic, unconditional allegiance to some other members interpretation of how Europe should develop. Everything has to be negotiated and agreed within the institutional framework of the EU.

by Gary J on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 04:41:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

 The Italians (or at least some of their courts) have formally filed criminal charges naming specific agents for allegations of kidnapping and other crimes in the abductions and removal of people by C.I.A. operatives while in Italy--this action, still pending in Italian courts, AFAIK, was begun while Berlusconi was still in office--shows some admirable spunk and independence on the part of these judges.

Brava Italia!!!!

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge

by proximity1 on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 04:45:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Admirable, but the initiative seems to come from the judicial agencies of the state not the executive ones which are arguably better placed to do something to stop future kidnappings and renditions affecting Italy.
by Gary J on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 04:59:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Rendition demonstrates that most European governments do not want to annoy the Americans. I am not aware that any of them have seriously tried to stop the flights or raise them in the European Council.
Sadly. I have often wondered over the past 5 years what our governments think the US has on them.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 15th, 2006 at 05:10:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
nuclear bomb sights?

pix of pols molesting kids?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jun 16th, 2006 at 08:52:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Display:
Login
. Make a new account
. Reset password
Occasional Series