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Thanks.  I don't have time to read it closely right now, but just skimming it, I'd agree in so much as I don't think you can entirely seperate Russia and its political development from Europe, and a lot of propagandists have attempted this.  But I'm also not really into the whole idea of a "nature" or somekind of "genetic" tendency.  I mean, historiographers will debate this East/West craziness until the end of time, but what Russia needs, what works, the basic welfare of the people and effectiveness of the govt. is what's important in the end.

One person's bloody autocrat will always be another's constitutional monarch, I imagine.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 02:39:48 PM EST
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Or constitutional (s)elected president, as the case may be.

I'll take the enlightened despots of the 18th century over BushCo any day. At least they had the best intellectuals of the day as ministers.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 02:42:15 PM EST
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I assume that's a joke.
by MarekNYC on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 02:44:34 PM EST
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There is some of it.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 02:45:22 PM EST
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Migeru is a closet Monarchist.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 02:47:38 PM EST
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It is to our constitutional monarch that we owe not being ruled by bloody autocrats. I think his son is just a spoled brat.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 02:49:55 PM EST
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what Russia needs, what works, the basic welfare of the people and effectiveness of the govt. is what's important in the end.

If you want to "improve" Russia, you have to have patience of a generation at least. History shows that instant progressive reforms in Russia have poor effects. This does not mean (by any any means) that Russia is backward or especially xenophobic. Just think of Russia's literature or classical music - the culture is more open minded than most others. But Russia has unusual social history, and troublesome experiences through ages. In a special way, Russia is a conservative country. And this is not very exceptional - think of special conservativisms of the Arab countries, or Japan.

Even if you solve Russia's problems (whatever they are), it will always be a unique country, and this is great. Only when you will have a generation (or two) which grew up with growing confidence in progressive governing, and gradual rejection of autocratic tendencies, we may talk about Russia in entirely new perspective. But sadly enough, what is happening now is just a new traumatic cycle apparently. Certainly, we can say the same about Iraq and several other places.

The generation cycle is important. There is a theory, for example, that says that the Soviet Union broke up under Gorbachov because he was the first Soviet leader without direct experience of the Bolshevik revolution and of the Great Patriotic War (WW II) - so he took many things for granted...

by das monde on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 10:26:42 PM EST
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If you want to "improve" Russia...

This is a very annoying pasttime of the West.  Well, I'd like to improve the whole world, and I would like to see more progressive policies coming out of the Putin Administration.  But there is something to be said for letting Russia improve Russia.  And I think precisely because of their unique history and demography, it might not be reasonable to expect that what works for us will work for them.  (Esp. since it isn't always working for us.)

I'm sure you're right about the generational ascpect.

I'd hold off on comparing Russia to Iraq just yet... (!)  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 at 11:53:14 AM EST
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