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Re: There is nothing in the Qu'ran that requires (none / 1)

I'd agree that the spirit of prgressiveness needs to be regained. within Islam I believe the idea is called Ishjtihad, but was stomped several hundred years ago as a threat to the authority of the formal religious hierarchies.

Irsahd Manji makes this the central point of her book "The trouble with Isalm", Reza Aslan makes similar points in "No God but God". Many in Europe are now reclaiming it and moving it forward.

However, my statement about most of this stuff coming from the hadiths is that, irrespective of the source, the interpretation is driven by a cultural suppression of women that is only expressed in the hadiths.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 at 06:08:00 AM EST
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Re: There is nothing in the Qu'ran that requires (none / 0)

It was never stomped in the Shi'a tradition as far as I know. The Sunnis declared it dead at some stage for political reasons. I could have that backwards.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 at 06:09:27 AM EST
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Re: There is nothing in the Qu'ran that requires (4.00 / 2)

Ironically, the fundamentalists are employing more of it than anyone else ever did under the guise of a return to previous roots and traditions. These guys would probably have been killed as heretics or something a couple of hundred years ago. At least outcast. Or people would have been mean to them or something.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 at 06:10:59 AM EST
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Re: There is nothing in the Qu'ran that requires (4.00 / 2)

I suppose the Western variety of cultural suppression of women is better, we just get it out of nowhere through the dispassionate application of pure reason (there is no shortage of misogynist giants of Philosophy, like Schopenhauer).

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 at 06:14:42 AM EST
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Re: There is nothing in the Qu'ran that requires (none / 1)

It's exactly the same mechanism. And anyway, the western cultural suppression is often justified by religion as well. Have you never seen women cover their heads in a catholic church? Used to be all the rage.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 at 06:16:42 AM EST
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Re: There is nothing in the Qu'ran that requires (none / 0)

Oh absolutely. However, at least ours can be declared illegal. We're trying.

It's one of the reasons why I resist religious interference in politics. Until religions cease to be authoritarian, misogynist, homophobic etc etc they have nothing to contribute to progressive, deomocratic societies

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 at 06:26:50 AM EST
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