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The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource nationalism | 107 comments (107 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource (none / 0)

So basically you're indirectly saying that we need to find a way to use sugar polymers directly. Ach, I would have been a physics star if only I had persevered, hips.

I'm still drunk from France's victory, please don't hurt me.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:14:10 PM EST
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Re: The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource (none / 0)

Starch has the disadvantage that it is insoluble in water so it will not hydrolyse spontaneously. You need enzymes called amylases to do that, which can be obtained from certain types of bacteria. Ideally there should be a bacterium that could be used for this purpose just like yeast is used to ferment the resulting sugars into alcohol.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:24:18 PM EST
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Ok, and then ideally a bacterium that would be simple (in sense "not energetically costly") to grow.

Screw Physics, here I come Chemistry ;))

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:25:52 PM EST
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What do you mean? It would grow on the process of turning starch into sugar, just like yeast grows on the process of turning sugar into alcohol.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:28:16 PM EST
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Hmm, I think I'm looking at this too much from the gardener's perspective.

I meant grow in the sense "before being used on starch" but now that you mention, it does make sense that bacteria reproduce through division.

Ok Chemistry will have to wait, here I come FIFA Fair-Play department!

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:34:45 PM EST
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Re: The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource (none / 1)

You know how you can just keep a sample of a yoghurt after you make it to seed the next yoghurt? You just need to keep some of the sludge you get from the potato juice before you distill it, and use it to seed the next batch.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:36:26 PM EST
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I think I would know at less than 2 grams of alcohol. But as I stand logic is failing me tonight.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:39:52 PM EST
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If you were drunk on kefir you wouldn't have forgotten about yoghurt.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:41:48 PM EST
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Re: The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource (none / 0)

My ribs are hurting now, that's very insensitive of yours.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:43:01 PM EST
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I suppose it's a good thing you're not frunk on kefir, it could have been really messy as well as painful.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:57:37 PM EST
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Good lord it's a great thing I'm not frunked on kefir. Ouch my ribs, you bastard!

(I have no idea whether that was intentional of yours but it got my ribs moving)

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 08:02:49 PM EST
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Re: The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource (none / 0)

In my defence I aduce the following:

'd' and 'f' are adjacent keys in a standard QWERTY keyboard.
We are not running the dKos version of the software which forces you to always preview your comments.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 08:08:38 PM EST
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I still found your comment very frunny ;)

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 08:10:34 PM EST
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Ok I better log off from ET, I need to get up early tomorrow and jog ... during my jogging I'll daydream about winning a nobel prize in vocabulary (for my secondary use of "osmosis"), after a total breakdown of my logical capacities in physics and chemistry.

G'night Mig (and to you all)!!

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 08:13:10 PM EST
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Are there any bacteria that feed off other bacteria, and which we could use for energtic input directly?

Can't fathom peak bacteria at all.

Ok I think I really need to give up on Chemistry and even Biology ... here I come Acting School!

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:38:05 PM EST
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I don't understand your question.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:39:31 PM EST
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Re: The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource (none / 0)

Well it wasn't very clear.

I was thinking of a bacterial osmosis, where one bacteria could feed off another bacteria feeding on the first. But I think I'm just trying to sound smart.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:40:53 PM EST
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Re: The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource (none / 0)

Now you are inventing new definitions of osmosis?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:45:22 PM EST
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Re: The real enemy is not peak oil, it's resource (none / 0)

You know, that's a good point you raise, I used the same term a few days back on ET and looked it up on Merriam & Websters before (but still carried on with using it) because I thought it didn't carry the extra meaning that it does in French. The original meaning exists in both French and English, but in French we also use the term to define a relationship of equilibrium (and joy if applied to humans). Does Spanish have that extra meaning too?

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:50:24 PM EST
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ps: it's an acquired meaning, not in original French ...
This is all I found so far:

[sens figuré] Influence réciproque.

Influence réciproque, interpénétration -- Une osmose s'est produite entre ces deux civilisations.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:52:12 PM EST
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Ah.

Strange acquired meaning. Osmosis is usually unidirectional.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:54:36 PM EST
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Warning: I've just forced myself to drink coffee (I almost never do drink any), so my blood-alcohol content is getting bypassed by my accelerated (facilitated) brain activity.

So exit Physics & Chemistry, here I come Vocabulary ;)))

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jun 27th, 2006 at 07:57:54 PM EST
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