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Cattle breeding is still mostly confined to less fertile areas. However, intensive rearing methods (pig farms, battery chicken operations) mostly use feed made from crops grown in more fertile cereal-growing zones, so in that sense you're right.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 1st, 2006 at 03:02:46 PM EST
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A recent corporate cattle effort was created in Texas. The feedlot is next to the farms which grow the feed for the cows. The milk for the cows is delivered to a nearby factory where it is turned into the fake cheddar that passes for cheese in the US. This is then sold to the hamburger chains and other fast food companies.

When the cows milk production falls off they are shipped to a nearby slaughterhouse. You have to admit it is very "efficient". Hundreds of acres devoted to making fake cheese. Just imagine the difference if the fake cheese were made from soy beans instead (like tofu).

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sat Jul 1st, 2006 at 03:17:16 PM EST
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Not only cheese, but meat from old milk cows. Yummy! (not)

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 1st, 2006 at 03:18:26 PM EST
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A great deal of what is currently sold as "beef" is old milk cows. Especially cheaper supermarket cuts and food-industry beef products (burgers, frozen and quick-heat dishes, etc). There's no obligation in Europe (nor in the US afaik) to label it "OLD MILK COW".

And, of course, you can lable "Farmhouse Cheddar", but not "Fake Cheddar" ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 1st, 2006 at 03:57:32 PM EST
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Probably the main reason I'm a vegetarian is because I know what goes into commercial meat - it's not just old cows, it's the less appealing parts of old cows.

And don't forget the energy requirements don't end at slaughter. The assorted body parts are then processed, stored (in cold rooms, if you're lucky - for a long time if you're not) and distributed.

What would be hugely interesting would be the energy requirements needed to get a frozen lasagne onto someone's plate.

Re: biofuel - doesn't it depend on which sort? Ethanol is energy intensive, but I'd guess methane farming, while smelly and unpleasant, would be much less so. How much methane would the sewage from a large city produce, and what would the energy equivalent be?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jul 1st, 2006 at 07:09:47 PM EST
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They have a technical name for that: biogas.

As for gathering methane from city waste... you must have missed Nomad's smelly diary

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 1st, 2006 at 07:52:03 PM EST
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The EEA report I link to in my comment below handles energy from waste too. (It considers bioenergy under three sections: agriculture, forestry, waste; forestry covers mostly use of wood for heating; waste includes both agricultural and domestic).

As for agriculture, certainly we have to distinguish between biodiesel (rapeseed/sunflower-seed oil to be used in diesel engines) and ethanol (alcohol to be used in petrol/gasoline engines) -- and then again between different crops used to produce ethanol, since there are considerable efficiency differences. (Sugar cane > sugar beet > maize/corn > wheat etc).

Personally, as far as Europe is concerned, i'm afraid of a scramble to obtain subsidies for ethanol operations based on dubious efficiency, on the part of agri-lobbies (sugar-beet and maize in particular). Ethanol is being touted by pundits as a miracle fix for oil worries. Which it ain't gonna be.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 2nd, 2006 at 03:27:53 AM EST
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