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I'm not sure we can establish causality in only one direction, at least not to a "crystal-clear" degree.  Surely the desire to maintain power in the international arena has led numerous American governments into adventures under the banner, "Securing Our Interests," but, then again, this ties in with growing empires.  The two feed on each other.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 12th, 2006 at 03:42:33 PM EST
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I agree with the dualfeeding, and will offer an example from the history of the British empire.

During the Napoleonic wars Britain bankrolled many of France´s opponents on the continent. This economic power enabled Britain to in the long run win and thus end up with (among other things) a lot of possesions in India.

And although I disagree with the notion that GDP measures national wealth, I agree that a large GDP enables a big army. As GDP measures taxable transactions, it gives a hint of how large spendings a government can get going, among those spendings military spendings. Of course this only really applies to our modern day states with high-tech expensive weapons.

In roman time a main portion of wages was pay in land on retirement, thus creating a drive to conquer more land. Not that that was the only force pushing for expansion...

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jul 12th, 2006 at 06:28:15 PM EST
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GDP doesn't measure national wealth.  It measures the nation's annual income.  National wealth would be equal to national assets minus national liabilities.  America's GDP should be roughly $13t by the end of the year, but its wealth is about $60t.  That's why I maintain that America's national debt, while too high for my taste as someone who admittedly a bit militant about balanced budgets, is not incredibly high.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 12th, 2006 at 08:25:28 PM EST
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Quite right. That is the defintion of GDP.

To clarify, in that paragraph I was responding to this statement by technopolitan:

Put more bluntly and focused on GDP: greater national wealth enables greater military power.

And I also made a rather convoluted reference to a previous discussion where I stated my answers to Migerus socratic questions as:

1. What does GDP measure?
Tax base.

2. Why does it need to grow?
To enable politicians to keep their promises, wheter in expanding services but not increasing taxes or lowering tax percentages while keeping services constant. Or both. Few run on a platform of increased taxes and lowered services. Or on a reality-based platform where you need to pay for what you eat. Fiscal conservative is just a oppostion position, when in power you need to keep promises.

3. Does the need for GDP growth outweigh any other policy goal?
Policy is set by politicians right? Then - almost always - yes.



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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jul 12th, 2006 at 09:31:03 PM EST
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Ha!  Well in answering Miguel's questions, although, in fairness, Reagan did run on a platform of lowering taxes and spending.  I think he technically met that promise, in real terms, but he also ran enormous deficits, obviously, because of his tax cuts and the recession.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 13th, 2006 at 01:24:07 AM EST
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