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There is a lot of politics, sociology and psychology implicit in Keynes' discussions (just look at the chapters on "the propensity to consume"). Don't let the arbitrary divisions between academic disciplines distract you from important features of the problems you study.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 12th, 2006 at 05:45:06 PM EST
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There has to be a lot of politics, sociology and psychology in economics in order to get an idea of how to develop solid theories.  Otherwise we'd all be Neoclassicalists. </snark>

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 12th, 2006 at 05:51:29 PM EST
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Snark aside, the problem is that the politics, sociology and psychology are inside a box that no one is supposed to examine too closely.

I don't think economics really exists as a separate discipline. I think it exists as a kind of academic cult cursed by delusions of infallibility, but the practical policy foundations are always based on politics, sociology and psychology - with a bit of game theory and statistical analysis at the more rigorous end.

In terms of real-world decision making, I think it really isn't possible to understand economic relationships except in terms of politics, sociology and psychology. They're not footnotes or distractions, they're fundamentals.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 13th, 2006 at 06:23:53 AM EST
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It can't exist as a fully-separate discipline from politics, sociology and psychology, -- you're, of course, right -- but it's important to remember that economics also has an impact on these three, as well.  It's a similar relationship to our discussion on wealth and military power.  It would be foolish to expect any of these sorts of fields to exist fully independent of the others -- with the exception of psychology, in some areas, obviously.  The entire purpose of academia is to have researchers looking into many different parts of life in order to develop an understanding of each, so that they can be smashed, for lack of a better word, together, thus yielding a more accurate picture.

Politics obviously plays an enormous role, because governments are enormous actors in the economic arena.  Psychology's role is growing -- there is actually a sub-discipline called Economic Psychology, although it's still in its infancy -- because psychologists can help economists develop a stronger understanding of (say) happiness or buying habits or or or....  Sociology and economics have always had a great deal of overlap, and academics from each work together quite often.  (My uncle, who is a retired sociologist, is an example.)  If I wanted to write a book on Africa's current economic situation, I would likely need to get in touch with someone who understands African culture and politics, because it would shed a great deal more light on the issue for me.  Proposed solutions to problems are, obviously, useless if they do not work properly with the cultural and political situation (as when FDR had difficulty pushing Keynesian worker programs in an era of American politicians seeking a consistently-balanced budget).

As far as infallibility is concerned, in any field -- in my experience, at least, and I must admit to having little in the hard sciences (so I'll leave that to Miguel, Colman and anyone else who has said experience) -- you'll find people who take this view of their discipline, but I think you'll find plenty of examples, especially among the big names, of economists who do not believe in the infallibility of economics.  In fact, the book Miguel wrote this diary on was one built to challenge a previous failure in the field, as were Friedman's writings on things like the Phillips Curve.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 13th, 2006 at 12:08:53 PM EST
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I totally agree.  Esp. with the academic cult part. ;)

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Thu Jul 13th, 2006 at 02:15:56 PM EST
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