that's the problem I have with Israel - you don't just take land that belongs to someone else and say that it belongs to you.  If the Israelis really wanted peace and their own state, they would have built their country elsewhere.

...and the people at that elsewhere would object to it violently as well.

What people like Manon don't understand is that "Palestine" is one of the two poles that the Jewish religon revolves around (the other, of course, being God)

The Mishnah, which is the core of both Talmuds, is mostly about how temple practices should go once the "Palestine" has been regained. That was written back in the Second century CE.

Yeah, the Kenya idea was put to a vote, but it failed almost unanimously. So what? The Soviet Union didn't want a Jewish state anywhere in Northern Eurasia. Poland was activly expelling what remained of it's post-holocaust Jewish population [a book on the subject called "fear" just came out, check the NY Times book review from a week ago]

Where would you have had the Jews go? The US had quotas, the Aussies had quotas, The Soviet bloc didn't want them...where?

that's the problem I have with Israel - you don't just take land that belongs to someone else and say that it belongs to you.  If the Israelis really wanted peace and their own state, they would have built their country elsewhere.

But Israel was established where it was. We aren't in 1918 or even 1947. At this point your argument is no different from the Israeli hard right one that if the Palestinians want a state they can just leave the West Bank and go establish one elsewhere.