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A party that requires 100.00000% perfection in vote counting in order to win an election is asking for the impossible, and a country with such a party is doomed to revolution. Until a few weeks ago, Mexico was lauded as having an independent electoral commission with expertise and transparency that exceeded that of other Western countries. The post-election bickering is extremely dangerous. What is the proposal by Obrador to resolve this issue peacefully? Street demonstrations are hardly a good start.
by asdf on Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 at 10:25:26 PM EST
I'm sorry, but I think that counting all the votes is a prequisite for a democracy. And street demonstrations have a long history in Mexico, the foremost example being by the PAN in 1988.  So I have to say to their opposition, that they doth protest too much.

Lopez Obrador has pressed for a vote by vote recount. There is extensive evidence of the falsification of vote totals on ballot boxes.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 at 10:38:02 PM EST
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What is more dangerous? Post-election bickering that might lead to some riots, maybe a few deaths; or allowing voting irregularities orchestrated by the ruling party determine the outcome of an election? If an issue cannot be resolved peacefully, is it always better to back down? Or are there perhaps issues that are worth risking ones safety and life for?

Yes, let us hope that it can be resolved peacefully. But if the current government wont yield on recounts, who are we to tell the Mexicans that the fight is not worth it because "someone could get hurt".

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 08:39:25 AM EST
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I agree in principle, but take a look at the Mexican electoral process. After previous problems they set up a pretty good system that supposedly met all the goals: independent officials, trained polling station operators, open to international observers, etc. Their system was advertized as being one of the best.

Now the results come in and they are very close and the losers are demanding a recount. But how will the recount be impervious to manipulation? What voting system can provide perfect results?

In my opinion, none. Even in small New England towns where the entire voting community meets in a single hall to vote on local issues, there are problems counting the votes. It's simply not possible to have a perfect system from a technical viewpoint, so there must be some political or social safety valve that comes into operation when the voting system gives unclear results.

In the U.S., the party that appears to have lost concedes. (Two big obvious recent examples are on display.) That seems to be perceived as a better solution than having a revolution...

by asdf on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 08:49:47 AM EST
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What ruling party? The Pri controls a number of states, the Pan a few and even Oberidor's party a couple. The Mexican Congress is controlled by the Pri, and they dislike the Pan more than they dislike Oberidor.

The states pretty much control the election process.

by messy on Tue Jul 25th, 2006 at 09:24:18 AM EST
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