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Thanks.

I then added:

However, support for local initiatives in favour of farmers using their own rapeseed/sunflower seed to power their tractors and machinery would start to reduce fossil fuel inputs in farming, and should be encouraged; and recycling of used oils and cooking fats should also be actively encouraged.

Question 5.1
Should the EU continue acting in favour of biofuels after 2010?

Certainly, as long as second-generation biofuels fulfil their promise.

Should EU action include the following measures (which could be pursued without
defining a quantified target):

c) continued scope for Member States to support biofuels through tax
reductions/exemptions?

Biofuels should be tax-exempt. Fossil fuels should be subjected to increased tax. Exemptions for aircraft fuel should end. Exemptions for agricultural use of fossil diesel too, it being understood that incentives to go over to biodiesel would be offered (above and beyond tax exemption).

Question 6.1
Do you have any comments on the following issues, listed in the biofuels directive for
inclusion in the Commission's progress report:

d) the sustainability of crops used for the production of biofuels, particularly land
use, degree of intensity of cultivation, crop rotation and use of pesticides?

Organic farming should be much more actively encouraged by the EU.
The use of feedstocks such as maize and sugar beet, currently cultivated by unsustainable methods in respect of soil fertility and erosion, water wastage, soil and water pollution, threats to biodiversity through excessive use of pesticides, should be discouraged.
The use of feedstock crops as a "back door" for the introduction of GM varieties should be resisted.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 11:40:13 AM EST
Can you add the bit about the need for EU technical regulations on transportation (and machinery) fuel to not favour fossil fuels unfairly over biofuels?

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 11:44:00 AM EST
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Can you remind me how it works again? (what it was exactly)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 11:50:29 AM EST
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here:
Even if not actively promoting biofuels, the EU should ensure that the technical regulatory framework for transportation fuels does not unfairly favour fossil fuels over biofuels.
This is not to prejudge the result of the consultation, but to indicate that added flexibility should be in place.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 11:54:42 AM EST
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This is in reference to all the "whereases" in the 2003 directive about engine performance, emission standards, etc.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 11:55:49 AM EST
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What question does it answer?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:09:30 PM EST
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It was the end of my reply to 1.1 ("here" is hyperlinked).

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:12:10 PM EST
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Do you think it fits there now?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:19:45 PM EST
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To:

The EU should resist pressure from interested agri-business groups to divert a large funding stream into first-generation biofuels

I added:

, just as it should resist petroleum industry pressure to go on with fossil fuel use as if there were no problems.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 11:47:57 AM EST
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and recycling of used oils and cooking fats should also be actively encouraged.

I would go as far as to say "recycling ... should be actively encouraged, and undertaking it on a large scale should be seriously considered".

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 11:49:47 AM EST
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Question 5.1
Should the EU continue acting in favour of biofuels after 2010?

Certainly, as long as second-generation biofuels fulfil their promise.

If that means the promise should be fulfilled before 2010, I disagree.

We should tell the EU to fund serious large-scale scientific proof-of-concept experiments with promising sustainable second-generation biofuels in the period 2010-2020.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:01:56 PM EST
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That is what I meant. Have inserted your draft.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:15:56 PM EST
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Alongside 2010-2020 you should mention the Seventh Framework Programme (2007-2013) and the eigth framework programme (presumably 2014-2020).

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:19:27 PM EST
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Note that the eigth fremework programme does not as yet exist even as a project.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:20:53 PM EST
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Mention how? Can you draft this?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:21:46 PM EST
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Append: "the Transport and energy directorate should encourage the funding of second-generation biofuel research under the Energy and Agriculture objectives of the EU's scientific research Seventh Framework Programme for 2007-13."

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:28:26 PM EST
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The answer now reads:

If oil supply does plateau at 2006 levels while global demand keeps pushing oil prices up, it will become economical to use biofuels and then EU economic support will be unnecessary. However, the Transport and Energy Directorate should encourage the funding of second-generation biofuel research under the Energy and Agriculture objectives of the EU's scientific research Seventh Framework Programme for 2007-13.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:31:23 PM EST
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If oil supply does plateau at 2006 levels while

say "...plateau, at 2006 levels or a few years hence, while..."

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:33:44 PM EST
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I think I'll say " if oil prices continue to rise"
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:36:29 PM EST
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OK.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:37:07 PM EST
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The point is not that it plateaus at current levels, but that it does plateau between now and 2020. If it happens early, we're screwed. If it happens late, vigorous research into 2nd gen biofuels and [move to here] flexible technical regulations for fuel already in place which don't unfairly favour fossil fuels over biofuels, may save the day.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:36:35 PM EST
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Say "of 2007-13, and make it a research priority for the rest of the decade of 2010-20".

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:40:20 PM EST
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