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I very much look forward to that diary.  (Not to mention part two of the--ongoing, I hope--spanish lesson.  [P.S. I thought flipping the paragraphs from left to right then back again was top class.  And you did an excellent translation, sir, from what I understood--which was a lot, so thanks again!)

So, another question.  First, the context.  I am anti-nuclear for the simple reason that I think once we worked out how to get down out of trees, the next thing we should have done was learn how to build treehouses, fireproof them, then hook up some solar and wind.  Add a suitable toilet-to-cesspit system, then lay back and eat more bananas.  And make love on the funky leafbed we made one afternoon.  Monkey junior can play on the ground with the other monkeys.

So I am in a minority (I would love to see car exhaust pumped directly back into and through the car before venting through super-filters into the atmosphere.  See how many people still think their car journey is worth it when they have to breathe the smog they're creating instead of farting it out all over pedestrians and cyclists.)

So, I have not followed the details of the nuclear debate.  However, I have a friend who is much more practical than me.  He is a fervent believer in nuclear power.

"You don't understand," he said to me one night in the pub.  "The next wave of nuclear power, they're already working on it.  They take the waste and fire it back into the process, down long tubes, there is no waste."

And, in the long term (e.g. when the next volcano blows up and extinguishes sunlight for a few years), I agree that nuclear power will help humans--and plants, and animals--survive underground.  

So, anyway.  My question is: what is this new system he is talking about?  Does it exist?  When will it bee ready?  What are its drawbacks?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Aug 14th, 2006 at 09:09:55 AM EST
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I think he's talking about breeder reactors.

A lot of the problems with nuclear technology have to do with nuclear weapons proliferation. Some of the better energy-production technology has high risk of proliferation (e.g., produces plutonium as a byproduct).

[P.S. the thing wit the paragraphs was involuntary and is now corrected]

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 14th, 2006 at 09:14:42 AM EST
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(Off topic I know.  Shhh.)

The paragraph swapping was excellent.  I'm serious.  The danger (for me, who would like to learn the language) of keeping the paragraphs on their respective sides, is that I will tend to read one and then go to the other for reference.  I imagine a lot of readers would go for their prefered language and perhaps glance across occasionally.  But flipping randomly (and I especially liked that it didn't happen at the beginning.  Get the flow going first, and then whang!, hey!  I'm reading spanish, no english, no ingles, no espanol, hey, I'm reading two languages!  That was the effect on me, anyway.)

Plus there was a relevant news story attached.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Aug 14th, 2006 at 09:27:06 AM EST
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The plutonium from a reactor is useless for a bomb, unless you seperate it in a large and complicated PUREX reprocessing plant (and run the reactor on an uneconomic cycle).  It's the PUREX plant that produces the raw material for weapons.  Read about the Integral Fast Reactor (IFR, Google will find enough references) to understand, how a breeder itself is no proliferation risk.  If anything, PUREX is.
by ustenzel on Sat Aug 19th, 2006 at 06:18:37 AM EST
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That [proliferation] is a political problem. Apparently we should be getting ready to go to war with Iran because they're enriching uranium.

So I don't disagree on that, I am saying that the reason breeder reactors are not more widely used is that <gasp> they can be used to proliferate.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 19th, 2006 at 06:39:23 AM EST
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Only in the US where big oil and coal companies rule (and in Germany, where weed smoker rule, too) and use any excuse to keep nuclear power small.

The real reason breeders aren't widespread is cheap uranium.

by ustenzel on Sat Aug 19th, 2006 at 04:11:37 PM EST
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As Migeru said, breeder reactors. They not only exist but existed for decades, so pro-nuke folks aren't entirely honest selling it as new technology (though there are new variants of the concept). The next non-research breeders read to work will probably be built in India, where they serve the half-admitted goal to produce material for nuclear bombs. Beyond the weapons proliferation problem, there is unreliability. The French SuperPhénix was built as a full-scale commercial electricity-generating power plant in the eighties, but then had multiple severe breakdowns. Pro-nuclear governments "saved it" by redesignating it as research reactor, but further breakdowns followed, and then a court annulled the research reactor operating permit as illegitimate.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 14th, 2006 at 10:26:17 AM EST
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