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I read a not very good biography of Mitterand fairly recently. It was the only one I could find in English. He sort of struck me as having some parallels to Bill Clinton, a very slippery politician with a colorful personal life. I never did get a sense of what, if anything he stood for in terms of long term policies.

What does comparing Royal to Mitterand really mean in practical terms? Is she seen as being similarly political flexible.

by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 01:02:37 PM EST
In practical terms I'm not sure! In terms of political positioning, it means some of the things I suggested above. Mitterand remains fairly popular with probably a majority of the French. And, within the PS, it's a power position that she's very smart to pick up, others having dropped it in the years immediately after Mitterand's death.

To the Clinton comparison, you can add age and elder-statesman standing. Helps to beef up the image of an attractive 52-year-old woman...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 01:15:50 PM EST
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In practical terms I suppose it means whatever Royal wants it to mean, as Mitterrand is dead and so cannot contradict her in public.

It would be a lot risquier for someone to declare themselves a continuator of, say, Giscard, as he's still alive and could get into an embarrassing debate with the candicate.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 01:25:40 PM EST
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So this is really mostly about reaching back to historical rhetoric? I suppose people in the French center right would try to pick up the laurels of De Gaulle.
by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 01:29:18 PM EST
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The French wight wing parties mostly call themselves Gaulliste, or used to.
The "Gaullists" as a political group used to refer to the Union des Démocrates pour la République.

Since de Gaulle's death, and the break-up of the UDR, the exact meaning of Gaullism is somewhat unclear. In 1980s-1990s usage, "Gaullism" referred to the Rassemblement pour la République (now integrated into the Union pour un Mouvement Populaire), Jacques Chirac's center-right party. Chirac has, in the past, adopted both dirigiste and laissez-faire approaches to economics; he now has a pro-European (pro-European Union) stance after famously denouncing europeanism in the Call of Cochin. For these reasons, some on the right, such as Charles Pasqua, denounce Chirac and his party as not being "true Gaullists".

There are people on the Left who also call themselves Gaullists. Even socialist president François Mitterrand, who denounced de Gaulle's way of ruling as a permanent coup d'état, was very intent on keeping the nuclear deterrent and asserting France's independence.



Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 01:33:29 PM EST
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As Migeru points out, the French right has constantly referred back to De Gaulle, practically ad nauseam. Chirac is the supposed "heir" to the line, and his party, (was the RPR, is now the UMP), is known as the Gaullist party. Not long ago Chirac said he was Gaullist.

There are two other main tendencies on the right: the Le Pen, Vichy extreme-right, haters of De Gaulle since WW2; and the centrists, once led by former president Giscard d'Estaing. This group (the party is called the UDF) is not as influential as it was in Giscard's time, the '70s. It's now led by François Bayrou who is trying to make room for himself (for the presidential) by distancing himself from the "Gaullists", who are in government.

The two great individual figures of the post-WW2 French political scene are undoubtedly De Gaulle and Mitterand. By openly affiliating herself to Mitterand, Royal is making a bold declaration of what she claims is her capacity and stature. Mitterand was neither an ideology nor a policy buff, so it doesn't count on Royal's part as a declaration of intent in either of those fields.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:06:44 PM EST
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That's sorta what I had figured out about French political mythology. Your summary is concise and helpful.

Now if they can just work Clovis and the dove in there somewhere, everybody can go to lunch.

by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:19:16 PM EST
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Everybody will go to lunch anyway.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:39:13 PM EST
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I read a not very good biography of Mitterand fairly recently. It was the only one I could find in English. He sort of struck me as having some parallels to Bill Clinton, a very slippery politician with a colorful personal life.

Nah. Mitterand, aka 'Le Florentin', was more slippery, devious, and cynical than Clinton. Much more. When I saw Mitterand and 'godfather' in the same sentence I was wondering if there wasn't some snarky subtext going on.

by MarekNYC on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:18:39 PM EST
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Slick Willy ain't finished yet.
by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:20:32 PM EST
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"snarky subtext"? Me?

The French says "parrainage", which didn't fully authorize me to translate as I did, (could be sponsorship or patronage), but I thought it was close enough for jazz and that Mitterand wouldn't object, even though he's buried not all that far from here.

I still don't know what I finally think of Mitterand. One day it's up, one day it's down. But the same is true of De Gaulle.

Or Clinton, for that matter.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:37:40 PM EST
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The French says "parrainage", which didn't fully authorize me to translate as I did, (could be sponsorship or patronage), but I thought it was close enough for jazz and that Mitterand wouldn't object, even though he's buried not all that far from here.

As the article quotes her as saying 'je revendique cette lignee mitterandienne' you could also have said 'the candidate framed herself as Mitterand's political heir'. Parrainage also evokes something of a mentor-protegee relationship to my ear, though of course it literally is from the term godfather.

by MarekNYC on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 03:44:18 PM EST
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Quite right. A snarky subtext must have crept in...

Anyway, it's the journalist's words, not Royal's. She definitely speaks of lineage rather than patronage or godfatherage.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Aug 21st, 2006 at 04:04:26 PM EST
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