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I said "world" to bring in outside-the-EU, since we were supposing a drop in EU consumption. The overall result (EU + extra-EU) could be constant demand, as you say, and of course Peak Oil (diminishing supply) could then determine rising prices.

As you say elsewhere, the matter of what our expectations are about all this has a determining effect on investment decisions taken now. What seems important from this POV is what the engineers, the industry, the technocrats decide is the forecast they will be guiding the money towards. For example, we may not have super-nifty hybrids all over the place in 2030 if the automobile industry decides it is urgent to do nothing (or almost), as at the moment.

BTW, I may have missed it, but I didn't find our point that the auto industry needed coercing into urgent work on energy efficiency and GHG emissions came out very clearly in the summary; just, (p.5):

Some argue that it is only valid if it is part of an energy policy in which biofuels - as a renewable energy source - are integrated into a broader context of e.g. promotion of greater energy efficiency, reduction of fossil fuel use, promotion of clean (vehicle) technology and low-carbon fuels
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 24th, 2006 at 08:35:29 AM EST
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Well, at least the Swedish seem to have the collective mindset of weaning themselves out of oil, and Starvid loves his hybrid scooter... Who cares whether Ford and GM don't develop cool hybrids? There's always Saab.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 24th, 2006 at 08:37:54 AM EST
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I think there are some opportunities for the smaller car companies. While totally new engine development is beyond them financially, there's lot's of other automative technologies that they can excel in - reducing weight, mechanical efficiency, overall size in relation to use, designed for zipcar use, biofuels etc etc

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Aug 24th, 2006 at 12:08:07 PM EST
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"...there are some opportunities for the smaller car companies...there's lot's of other automative technologies that they can excel in - reducing weight, mechanical efficiency, overall size in relation to use, designed for zipcar use, biofuels etc etc"

You will have to work pretty hard to beat Honda and Toyota. They have already squeezed almost all of the fat out of their hybrids...the Honda Insight being the most extreme example...

by asdf on Thu Aug 24th, 2006 at 11:25:30 PM EST
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But Toyota et al are still aiming for large scale production (volume cost efficiency) and thus a one-size-fits-all-solution.

The concrete world of highways and motorways, with nodes for fuelling etc, are a homogeneity all over the world. The one size solution fits this replicated microcosm well.

But all these concrete systems run through very diverse types of landscape and cultures which favour perhaps, different types of vehicles. Seen in this light, the one size solution works less well and offers scope for smaller automotive companies.

To give an example; you can find in some tropical/sub-tropical countries (Thailand eg) the concept of the open flat bed hop on-hop off taxi which cruise main routes. I don't know how efficient these are in terms of fuel use per passenger mile, but I would assume they are fairly good. (Certainly the ones I have been on were always packed). These vehicles are always heavily customised - but possibly only 'decoratively'. But I assume it might be worthwhile to also customise suspension, weight distribution, access etc as well as modifying engine peripherals for greater fuel efficiency under stop-go conditions.

All I am saying is that there are many other types of vehicles than family cars, and there is scope for smaller vehicle companies (I should have said this in my earlier comment, not 'smaller car companies') to provide transport solutions that take better account of the local environment and culture.

Instead of us adapting our lives to the mass produced car and the concrete system that has been built to support it, perhaps it would be more fuel/energy efficient for the vehicles to be adapted to us?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Aug 25th, 2006 at 05:55:16 AM EST
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Who cares whether Ford and GM don't develop cool hybrids? There's always Saab.

SAAB is owned by GM. Volvo is owned by Ford.

by Trond Ove on Sat Aug 26th, 2006 at 01:35:43 AM EST
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