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Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 10:41:29 AM EST
We are accustomed to think of "Property" as an Object.

As Bentham pointed out:

"It is to be observed, that in common speech, in the phrase 'the object of a man's property', the words 'the object of' are commonly left out; and by an ellipsis, which, violent as it is, is now become more familiar than the phrase at length, they have made that part of it which consists of the words 'a man's property' perform the office of the whole."

In other words Property is the RELATIONSHIP between the Subject Individual, and the Object,whatever that is.

I think that the emergence of the new - indefinite - Property right I call "Open Capital" transcends the conflict between the absolute/ permanent eg Freehold in Land, "Equity" finance in Corporations - and the absolute/temporary eg leasehold land and Debt finance.

I believe that it is possible to package that relationship in a new way - via an "Open" Corporate of which the UK Limited Liability Partnership ("LLP") is the first so that the rights of owenership and use may be divided more equitably.

And through the mechanism of holding "Commons" - like Land and Knowledge - in Trust (eg the US Community Land Trust) we may bring in investors in and users of these Commons through membership of such an "Open" Corporate.

Users of a Commons get to pay a "rental" to Society of course - which is the idea behind the Land Tax.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 11:39:08 AM EST
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To the non-Brit, the whole freehold/leasehold distinction boggles the mind. The more I think about it, and after 18 months of exposure, the more I think it's a brilliant system, except for the little detail that most freeholders are hereditary nobles or institutions that got their freeholds from the Crown, as opposed to "the commons".

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 11:44:34 AM EST
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It's not just about Freehold/Leasehold of course, which are the two remaining statutory forms of tenure post 1925.

We distinguish "Law" from "Equity" through the quite extraordinary judge-made body of "Common Law" which covers, among other things, rights of use of Land and the whole concept of "trusteeship".

And yet it is a French law concept which I think is behind the extraordinary new legal possibilities I observe.

The French distinguish "contrats de mandat" ie contracts imposed by force of law (and both existing English forms of property rights - statutory and "equitable" are of this type, backed by sanction) from consensual "contrats de societe".

The UK LLP "Open Corporate" came about following the introduction of the Jersey LLP (grounded at least in part upon French law, I think) and I believe that the innovation I observe is based upon the fact that an "Open Corporate" like this is in fact a consensual "contrat de societe".

I wish I had enough grounding in jurisprudence and even philosophy to adequately explain.

Suffice to say that I believe that the "indefinite" property right - you share the usufruct for as long as you use the land, and the capital invested in it - inherent in the structures I am developing is in fact optimal and transcends the faultlines and conflicts in existing absolute forms.

The outcome is a "continuity" - or even timelessness - which has not previously been available.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 02:35:32 PM EST
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To be honest, after doing a fair amount of reading of English liberals of the 19th century [including John Stuart Mill who is an ideological nephew of Bentham], I can't find much wrong with what they were saying. Too bad they have been hijacked by ideologues without common sense.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 11:47:16 AM EST
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