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I don't disagree with you for a moment that the UK has always held itself aloof from Europe. I don't think we have anything to disagree about on that point. I certainly agree that the dominant public opinion in continental Europe is in opposition to US policy. I'm simply saying that there are likely other groups with political leverage who see it differently.

China has already opposed some of the more aggressive moves regarding Sudan. They have oil interest and clients there. I think there is a very real possibility that they would veto a UNSC resolution that wasn't to their liking. They are regularly using their veto power as a lure to establish closer ties with African states. They just persuaded Chad to break ties with Taiwan.

I agree that the US would not let a commitment to the NATO charter get in its way, but it constrains their actions less than the UN charter so for the moment it's useful. It is a place where Russia and China have no voice at all.

by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Mon Aug 7th, 2006 at 07:01:52 PM EST
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I certainly agree that the dominant public opinion in continental Europe is in opposition to US policy. I'm simply saying that there are likely other groups with political leverage who see it differently.

Sure, like these guys.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 7th, 2006 at 08:17:30 PM EST
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Among others.
by Richard Lyon (rllyon@gmail.com) on Mon Aug 7th, 2006 at 08:35:04 PM EST
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You will find they're all connected.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 7th, 2006 at 08:47:47 PM EST
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Good grief. Thanks for the link.


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by Number 6 on Tue Aug 8th, 2006 at 09:50:29 AM EST
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According to its website the EPP is "a family of the political centre whose roots are deep in the history of European civilization. It unites like-minded national parties, in EU Member States and in EU applicant countries and we maintain close contact with decided probable candidate countries."
The political centre, my ass.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 8th, 2006 at 09:57:11 AM EST
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"... unites ... "
".. maintain close contact ..."

Goldwater Moment for Europe?

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by Number 6 on Tue Aug 8th, 2006 at 10:12:15 AM EST
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