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I've done the meat in writeboard, take a look.

As soon as that's agreed on, we can look at the introduction and ending.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 05:42:42 AM EST
Huh?
We applaud you for creating a clear, accesible transprancy for European citizens in the decision making process.
This is correct:
To take one example, the entire current EU production of rapeseed and sunflowerseed would not suffice to provide 5.75% of EU diesel fuel consumption, which is the non-mandatory target set by the EU for 2010.
It seemed from our calculations that the 5.75% target might be barely met with marginal use of biodiesel but  10% to 12% ethanol? Is the 5.75% target to be met for each fuel type, or in the aggregate? We know that the aggregate figures for Ethanol are not good either. What you say might allow them to say "oh, well, we'll just produce more ethanol". I'd add some statistics for that, too (as in, "the entire spare production, from export figures, of ethanol crops is insufficient blah blah".

How about mentioning mass recycling of cooking oils?

More typos:

Your position to to stress the Commissions to on the car industry we support fully, although we would welcome also obligatory measures to fulfill the CO2 reduction target.


Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 05:52:55 AM EST
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my own shoddy version and afew's "meat" are now combined. I try to work on that now...

The transparency: we wouldn't be able to respond to them if they hadn't posted their draft opinions on the internet. Mind, that many of their documents are there in every EU language. Some texts, like the amendments, are solely in English. It's reasonably good.

by Nomad on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 05:58:38 AM EST
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I just checked: even the amendments are in all EU languages. Look at this.
by Nomad on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:02:22 AM EST
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The EP really has translation/interpretation facilities...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:24:25 AM EST
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It seemed from our calculations that the 5.75% target might be barely met with marginal use of biodiesel but  10% to 12% ethanol?
Actually:
Surplus production [of ethanol (in excess of 100% self-sufficiency)] would [only] suffice to cover [2/3 of the target]. Only an extension of the area of ethanol feedstock crops, or a transfer of crops from animal feed to ethanol, would cover needs.


Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:04:20 AM EST
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Writeboard allows you to compare drafts, so you could have seen what editing I had done to Nomad's version, which apparently you hadn't seen. As to the introduction and the ending, we can get to them next, as I said in my comment above. Typos you only need get in there yourself and clear them up, or make any other drafting suggestions.

Our calculations were:

According to Eurostat, transport fuel consumption for 2002 in the EU-25 was :
petrol, 5.2 e6 TJ ; diesel, 6.6 e6 TJ.
5.75% of these gives:
petrol, 0.3 e6 TJ ; diesel, 0.38 e6 TJ
Ethanol : 0.3 e6 TJ petrol  / 22 MJ/l = 13.6 e9 l
Biodiesel: 0.38 e6 TJ diesel / 34 MJ/l = 11.2 e9 l
If all the area (statistics, DG Agriculture) currently dedicated to potential ethanol feedstocks were used for ethanol, production could be an estimated:
·    10.5 e9 l of ethanol potential from the current EU-25 cultivated area of sugar beet (2.1 e6 ha @ 5000 l/ha)
·    19 e9 l of maize ethanol potential (from 6.5 e6 ha @ 3100 l/ha)
·     33.5 e9 l of common wheat ethanol potential (from 13.4 e6 ha @ 2500 l/ha)
·     23 e9 l of barley ethanol potential (from 23 e6 ha @ 1000 l/ha).
If only the surplus percentage (in excess of 100% self-sufficiency) of these crops were to be used, the estimates would be:
·    30% sugar beet: 10.5 e9 l x 30% = 3.15 e9 l ethanol
·    9% common wheat: 33.5 e9 l x 9% = 3 e9 l
·    13% barley: 23 e9 l x 13% = 3 e9 l
Surplus production (9 e9 l ethanol) would not suffice to cover the needed 13.6 e9 l. Only an extension of the area of ethanol feedstock crops, or a transfer of crops from animal feed to ethanol, would cover needs.

As for biodiesel, the total area of the two principal feedstocks, rapeseed and sunflower seed, would produce an estimated:

·    5 e9 l from rapeseed (4.5 e6 ha x 1100 l/ha);
·    2.2 e9 l from sunflower (2.2 e6 ha x 1000 l/ha)

Total production (7.2 e9 l) would not suffice to cover the needed 11.2 e9 l.

Yes, your point about ethanol/biodiesel aggregate is right: no doubt they say it's in the aggregate. My attempt here, however, is to do something punchy that will remain as a line of reasoning in readers' minds, so I avoided going into full detail. We could add the above calcs as a note?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:21:21 AM EST
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I would just give the conclusion for Ethanol and the conclusion for biodiesel.

I pointed out bits that were wrong but I waan;t quite sure how to correct.

And I don't want to run the risk of triggering the local firewall by submitting an edit.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:29:45 AM EST
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Firewall?

Are you an alien invader?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:42:24 AM EST
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You mean from the computer you're now working with? Otherwise, no reason to be shy...

As said, I'd refer to our consultation available at the EC website and indeed just write up the two conclusions.

Next attempt is made.

by Nomad on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:42:59 AM EST
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Do you do this for a living? You cast the bones of the skeleton straight into flesh. I'd have needed two more versions to get even coherent.
by Nomad on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 05:54:50 AM EST
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Afew isn't Chairman of the ET Kolkhoz for nothing.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 05:56:43 AM EST
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Afew, where are my pigs?

Also members of kolkhozy were allowed to hold one acre of private land and a couple of animals.

Writeboard Compare is great.  I won't ask what 2nd generation biofuels are coz it would make me look, er...

rhg

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:43:30 AM EST
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Biofuels made from cellulose or other non-food products, as opposed to from sugar.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:51:06 AM EST
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...or other food products.

Nothing is 'mere'. — Richard P. Feynman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:51:21 AM EST
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If you can hold one acre and a couple of animals, your arms are long enough to understand 1st and 2nd generation biofuels.

1st generation  = food crops turned into either ethanol (means hooch) to be mixed with petrol, or oil to be used in diesel engines. 2nd generation = fuels made from cellulose, allowing use of wood chips, grass, etc. The latter are not yet fully R&D'd.

This is supposing you have understanding arms.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 06:55:17 AM EST
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If you can hold one acre and a couple of animals, your arms are long enough to understand

I may steal this for my sig quote.


Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Sep 12th, 2006 at 07:01:16 AM EST
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