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If the original topic had been US policies, I would agree with you.

I thought the original topic was what Europe did wrong and could do better. This led to a discussion about US and Israeli wrong-doings who hamper all European efforts etc.

I don't think the constant focus on the US and Israel is interesting/fair/justified. That's why I wanted to bring the discussion back to European issues.

Jerome, what's your opinion of France's counter-terrorism policies and on Algeria/FIS/GIS in particular?

by Joerg in Berlin ((joerg.wolf [AT] atlanticreview.org)) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 12:54:11 PM EST
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It is my opinion that Europe by and large acts at cross-purposes with the US and Israel in the Middle East. You disagree that is relevant/fair/justified.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 12:59:22 PM EST
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EU policy is wrapped up with US and Israeli policy because it has to try and contain both since they're intent on being counterproductive.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 12:59:29 PM EST
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My opinion is that, all things considered, France's anti-terrorist policies were and are pretty smart - and most important, have always been under explicit rules and under the supervision of judges. There is due process, even if it has been made more favorable to the police.

There is also a lot of intelligence gathering.

I won't comment on France's Algerian policies because it's damn hard to know what's going on and I don't care enough and thus I really don't know enough.

My general position on the region is that we need to let all these countries get their Islamist governments in order to be vaccinated against them. They are seen as the only legitimate political opposition, so any election will brign them in, and the parallel experiences of Iran and Algeria show that preventing the rise of an Islamic government is ultimately more deadly to the local population (cf cival war in Algeria)and more dangerous to us (cf Algerian terrorism in France) - and that at least Iranians, if given a choice, would ditch fundamentalists now.

Further, we have to wean ourselves of oil - that will downgrade the importance of the region.

In the meantime, as stated by others, getting to a formal Israeli-Palestinian peace would solve a lot of things.

So there you go:

  • democracy - including Islamist governments
  • pushing for Near East peace
  • dropping our oil&gas use

As to terrorism, we should ignore it - or give it no more attention than bank robberies or bus accidents.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 01:11:18 PM EST
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My general position on the region is that we need to let all these countries get their Islamist governments in order to be vaccinated against them.

I've created a monster!

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 05:17:55 PM EST
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Or a beast?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 05:22:32 PM EST
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Whatever it is, don't feed it (especially after midnight).

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 05:29:16 PM EST
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Thank you!
I am looking forward to the next Energize Europe drafts.
by Joerg in Berlin ((joerg.wolf [AT] atlanticreview.org)) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 06:33:15 PM EST
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If the original topic had been US policies, I would agree with you.

Jörg. your diary is all about US policy and how European criticism of it is misplaced, not about European policy.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 14th, 2006 at 03:08:46 PM EST
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