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Well, I just filled out an app to allow me to short sell with my trading account. I'm going to ride a few US homebuilders into the toilet.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 01:31:08 PM EST
good luck, but be cautious.  These stocks are already down significantly, as investors anticipated this change early last year.  For example, homebuilder KBH Home was trading at $80 at the beginning of the year, and now is just above $40 per share.

There is now some thought that the stock market may have overreacted, and stock prices could begin to rebound a little.

Perhaps this means it's time to buy the homebuilder stocks, at least for a trade. Sentiment on the homebuilder stocks is still strongly negative. But the SPDR Homebuilders ETF (AMEX: XHB - News) ticked up recently, and individual homebuilder stocks such as Toll Brothers (NYSE: TOL - News) seem to have bottomed.

My apologies if my comments are gratuitous.
by wchurchill on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:26:18 PM EST
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shorting is always risky, yes. I was looking at KBH, actually. I'm betting on a bloodbath that the market doesn't at the moment buy into.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:47:57 PM EST
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great!  I can see you're a savvy person, and understand how to think about this.  good luck with your investments.
by wchurchill on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:17:52 PM EST
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Also, as is often the case, I look at that chart in your link and come to the exact opposite conclusion.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:20:16 PM EST
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I didn't come to a conclusion,,,,or intend to anyway.  I just wanted to make sure you knew that the stock market is based on estimates of future earnings, and therefore had already priced into the home building stocks their best estimates of the housing market going down. (which clearly you do understand, based on your comments.)   I don't personally follow the housing segment, so I have no opinion as to whether they have priced in too big of a decline, or not enough.  I was a little reluctant to write my note, since I thought if you were considering shorting, you were likely a knowledgeable investor, and therefore my comment, "apologies if this is gratuitous".  

I tend to think housing prices overall will be somewhat flat, except in the "hot" areas over the past few years, such as Florida, San Francisco, SoCal where I would imagine there will be drops in prices.  but of course even my "softer landing" type of view, would likely have severe impact on the home builders, who are building new homes in a market where there is likely not much new demand.

by wchurchill on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:46:41 PM EST
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