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I think that if we are going to refer to ourselves as "reality based" we have an obligation to find out what "reality" is. Even when we find it tasteless.

I find Kos' policy regarding the topic appalling.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 02:59:48 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

poemless, if you know it, can you quickly tell me something about Frederic Forsyth's "Icon" and its film interpretation? 100% Russophobic/total waste of time to watch, or not?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:26:21 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

No clue. Looks like the film is produced for the Hallmark Channel, which, translated into Hungarian, means, "Run for your fucking life."

And this from the author's wiki page:

"Forsyth is a Eurosceptic Conservative. In 2003, he was awarded the One of Us Award from the Conservative Way Forward group for his services to the Conservative movement in Britain."

Sounds like here might be something better to do with your time.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:37:26 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

Thanks! The novel and film is about Russia, that's why I thought maybe you know it, but the above info is thumbs down enough for me.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:42:38 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

We bought a rail map of Europe today ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:44:40 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

Do you travel across the north of Wales, or do you come down the Cambrian coast line through Macynlleth?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:34:47 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

The Hallmark channel?

Picking jaw from floor, will be back when I glue the pieces together.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:49:34 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

What's the deal with the Hallmark Channel? Is it some right-wing madhouse, think Fox or Clear Channel?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:10:10 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

Hallmark has a virtual monopoly in the printing of stupid greeting/birthday/inspirational cards and the marketing of kitsch trinkets.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:12:38 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (4.00 / 2)

I don't think they are politically motivated like FOX, but they specialize in sappy made-for-TV films that are "appropriate for the whole family". I think they have some backing from faith based organizations.

Their biggest offense is the promotion of attrocious acting and writing.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:26:55 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 0)

We're reality biased. Most people are actually. The only ones that aren't eat grains and levitate all day long.

by Alex in Toulouse on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 03:55:53 PM EST
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Re: Oh for God's sake (none / 1)

Is that a sourdough version of reality?

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 05:11:37 PM EST
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Reality (none / 0)

Click for (much) larger.

See this

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:22:01 PM EST
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Re: Reality (none / 0)

sorry, not convincing

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:26:12 PM EST
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Re: Reality (none / 0)

It's not up to me to convince you, it's up to you to convince me.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:30:21 PM EST
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Re: Reality (none / 0)

Now, if we're going to do this honestly you have to set the goalposts ahead of time.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:32:59 PM EST
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Who's moving the goalposts? (none / 0)

This started this thread:

I watched one of the 9-11 conspiracy videos today. At least with the Pentagon crash and flight 93, they make a very good point: the debris and targets in the crashes do not look the way they should.

An extraordinary claim. So far I have seen no evidence beyond "it doesn't look the way it should and I know, I'm a mechanical engineer".

I don't claim any mechanical competence, but I call for evidence. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thus your comment is disingenuous. I did not move the goalposts.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:38:12 PM EST
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Re: Who's moving the goalposts? (none / 0)

You have to give some indication of what you will accept as "extraordinary evidence" ahead of time. I did not say you moved the goalposts.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. — Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:44:18 PM EST
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Re: Reality (none / 0)

I don't even try to convince people with closed minds

by manon (m@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:38:22 PM EST
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Re: Reality (none / 1)

You're smart.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 15th, 2006 at 04:59:12 PM EST
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