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When I first read the blurb on the riots, having no idea what they were about or who was rioting, I instantly plugged in the assumptions drawn from my American-ness - I assumed the liars were right-wing stooges lying through their teeth like my own dear and respected president, and thus cheered the rioters in my head.

Reading down in the comments, I learned that the rioters were in fact rabid nationalists with a vague fascistic odor about them, and cheered on the lying Socialist government.  Whatever it takes to win, and all.

Does this make me a bad person?  That is, aside from the fact that I was so grossly un-informed to begin with.

by Zwackus on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 05:11:48 AM EST
cheered on the lying Socialist government

Hungarian politics is a mess, but not that much of a mess. The rabid nationalist rioters weren't cheering on the lying government, they were hoping to topple it in a revolution. It was 'simply' nationalist protesters who cheered on the rabid ones.

Now what is a mess here using international political standards: it is the post-reformed-communist Socialists who head neoliberal reforms and align with Bush in foreign policy, while the right-wing opposition uses some altermondialist and anti-Bush rhetoric.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 05:17:00 AM EST
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Sorry I got it now: you cheered my lying government!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 05:18:30 AM EST
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No problem.  
by Zwackus on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 08:56:00 AM EST
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Myself, I feel between hell and a hot place. I want neither the government's 'reforms', nor these quasi-fascist elements gaining power from their opposition to it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 05:25:50 AM EST
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I was just going to ask, after reading your comments, where you stand.  When I wrote "Best of luck" before, it was with bitter cynicism.  But now that I understand the situation better over there, I say it with heartfelt compassion.  Well, if Fermi (or was it Szilard?) was right and Hungarians are indeed descended from super-intelligent aliens, hopefully you all will eventually be able to work this out alright.

(BTW, your Laughing Fourth diary helped a lot to understand things better, too.)

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 05:44:55 AM EST
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I think it was Fermi, refering to Szilard and others.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 07:23:16 AM EST
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Correct. During the Manhattan Project, Fermi used to sit in a council of five top theoretical physicists, the four other members of which were Hungarian emigrés (most or all Hungarian Jews). In the heat of debate, they would always switch to talking in Hungarian, leaving Fermi to sit around puzzled. So later on, when Fermi was asked whether he believes in Martians, he said something to the tune, 'yes of course, they are the Hungarians! They conspire speaking in a strange language no one understands...'

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 07:39:30 AM EST
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Hm. So I didn't knew the whole story, in all its versions. Here is the version with Szilárd saying it. I find the Hungarians=Martians urban legend is one we know the exact source of.

Youz could also read the English version of a longer exposé on the Hungarian Martians by a late professor of mine at the university.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 19th, 2006 at 08:55:09 AM EST
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Youz could also read the English version of a longer exposé on the Hungarian Martians by a late professor of mine at the university.

Great catch.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Sep 20th, 2006 at 01:18:26 AM EST
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