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Sorry if I sound grumpy (I am), but it's amazing people have been bothered by this for weeks and have said nothing. Now we're past deadline, out it comes. Gah.

The reference to the "genuine single market", imo, is absolutely equivalent in their (extremely unsubtle) language to creating internal energy markets. I don't think we should worry about it. Neither do I think we should be re-editing this text extensively now. We'll have work to do later on Energize Europe.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 02:05:54 AM EST
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I agree on your interpretation of their phrase, but our text does sound at that point as if we don't know about the three pillars. Sorry I didn't point it out earlier. However, the point we are trying to make is a little too subtle for a one-liner.

I don't think it makes sense to send in a correction to the Energy Directorate so late in the game, and after so many modifications. Adding a paragraph that's been lost in the shuffle is one thing, but we've been touching and retouching too much.

The edited text can still be circulated to others, but we have to be careful about not representing that the text is identical to that which was submitted to the consultation.

You did start this last document with "I know this is crazy but we only have 48 hours to do this". We all had other commitments: Jerome was travelling on Sunday, I had a family visit, DoDo was away. You've done the work and I've nitpicked from the sidelines.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 02:14:43 AM EST
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I agree that sending this in as an Erratum now is a bit much. During office hours yesterday would have been OK. Though perhaps we should try. Let's see what others think.

Of course, we can and should use the current text to circulate.

There was no implied criticism about people's availability in my remark. Just that my first attack diary on the Consultation was long ago, and the Open Letter two weeks ago, and stuff coming out now is a bit frustrating. Anyway, I really do think they use "genuine single market" as equivalent to "finishing the liberalisation of energy markets". Otherwise the following poll options make no sense.

I'm sorry I only got through reading stuff and trying to draft what, to my mind, should be a brief critique of the Green Paper, so late. It's also clear there was no advance consensus on whether it should have been a brief critique or a more detailed position paper. That complicated things when editing time was short.

BTW, there's a White Paper on Communication Open Consultation, closing date 30th Sept. Working group, anyone?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 02:57:09 AM EST
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I had trouble formulating that, as Migeru said, subtle point, which he then did much better than I could. But there were inklings in the nuance I tried to use in comments -- for example in your first diary:

...That in this questionnaire the aim is for a common 'free' makret, and alternatives aren't even asked about, also reflects that the Commission is obliged to push that damned "Lisbon process".

I say if there was no feedback/note of receipt on the previous yet, trying to send the improved version won't be a problem even if they ignore it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 03:08:02 AM EST
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Yes, we can always send it.

Is everyone in agreement on the text now?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 04:01:57 AM EST
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I think we are.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 04:11:14 AM EST
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It has now been sent.

Before circulating it, however, I think it needs some page formatting (the page breaks need attention, as Nomad said). Writeboard won't do it, as far as I can see. I can make a .doc file of it and format that.

Any other ideas, anyone?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 06:36:19 AM EST
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Let me have a brief think about it ... might be possible to do a better print job from the HTML. Probably is -  just haven't had time to do it. The quality of the mark-up is bad, which probably isn't helping the print algorithms. But that's another issue.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 06:39:48 AM EST
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Was the version you sent signed by names, or just collectively?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 07:32:54 AM EST
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I "cashed in" on the way we were accepted for the Biofuels, and sent it as The European Tribune. I simply signed my name on the covering e-mail as the author of that e-mail.

The Open Letter was different, I think, it was from EU citizens.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 08:11:05 AM EST
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I just met Jerome for Breakfast.

He said we should send the latest version anyway. We can always claim we sent an old draft by mistake as opposed to calling it "errata".

We can always send version 13 which is exactly as our prevvious submission plus the new paragraph.

Version 14 and later already contain more and more substantial rewordings of other things.

Options:

  • Send version 13
  • Send version 19

The latest version should be circulated more widely [MEPs, oter people mentioned in this discussion] making it clear that it's not identical to our consultation submission if that's the case.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 05:16:13 AM EST
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I took it your latest version (19) was right and sent that.

I frankly don't believe it matters a whole lot with DG-TREN. Since the only consultation was IPM, they don't put up (unless I'm mistaken) a page with contributions as with the Biofuels Consultation. They may acknowledge receipt. I sent the e-mails return receipt, but that should go to etg@eurotrib.com, which only Jérôme has access to. So should any response they make.

They're not going to take any notice of what we say anyway, we know that ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 07:58:20 AM EST
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What we need to aim for is to release "Energize Europe" simultaneously with the White Paper. When is that expected?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 08:05:19 AM EST
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The timeline on the GP page says:

 Presentation of the WP, December 2006.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 08:25:13 AM EST
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Ok, we have October and November to go through all the steps in your working together scheme. 12 weekends from now is December 16/17 which will probably be the date of the EU summit.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 26th, 2006 at 08:35:33 AM EST
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