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Le Figaro: Do flights to United States face paralysis?

A marathon is under way in Brussels. European officials have until 30 September to reach an agreement with their US counterparts on the personal data of passengers flying from Europe to the United States that airlines must supply. Otherwise airlines will find themselves caught between two stools. Either they continue to submit to US demands, in which case they will be breaking European law. Or they do not convey the disputed information, in which case they could be banned from landing in the United States or fined several thousand dollars...

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Overall, the United States is demanding 34 pieces of information - and even more, in the future. There is no problem as regards civic status, nationality, height or profession. The so-called APIS (Advance Passenger Information System) data is shown on passports. The requirement for US addresses is no longer challenged either. But other strictly personal information is questioned by the European Court. For instance, ticket payment method, e-mail address, food preferences (which could indicate a religion or state of health,) private telephone number, and so forth.

There is also disagreement about how information should be conveyed. At present this takes place by means of the "pull" method: the United States seeks information on companies' databases. The EU wants to introduce a "push" method: airlines would send a selection of information compatible with EU laws. Last, negotiations also cover the financial aspect: the gathering and transmission of information costs money. It will of course be necessary to identify who should pay. If it is the airlines, these costs will be passed on to passengers...

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 02:00:49 AM EST
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Close air traffic. If it's unsafe, it's unsafe. We cannot take that risk in today's world.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 02:13:27 AM EST
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Or better yet: All passengers must write their names on a yellow Post'It. After being subjected to intense graphological analysis and testing for explosive, poisonous (or invisible) ink and screened against a database containing the names of five actual (and misspelled) terrorists plus the scanned telephone books of 10 (non-Mid-Eastern) metropolises selected at random, the slips are placed on the passengers' assigned seats and flown to their destination.

Each Post'It will be allowed to carry up to 3 ounces of personal liquids/gels, as well as any bottled water they purchase in the "sanitized" departure area after clearing security.

Regrettably, transporting actual passengers is indeed too great a security risk.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 03:59:03 AM EST
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Screw them. Europe has bent over backwards repeatedly (we have even changed our passports twice) to satisfy the US' creeping requirements. It's never enough. At some point you have to say no.
Overall, the United States is demanding 34 pieces of information - and even more, in the future. There is no problem as regards civic status, nationality, height or profession. The so-called APIS (Advance Passenger Information System) data is shown on passports. The requirement for US addresses is no longer challenged either. But other strictly personal information is questioned by the European Court. For instance, ticket payment method, e-mail address, food preferences (which could indicate a religion or state of health,) private telephone number, and so forth.
Is this a decision that the member states or the Commission can take by themselves, or do we need a public debate aboutt privacy in air travel?
airlines will find themselves caught between two stools. Either they continue to submit to US demands, in which case they will be breaking European law. Or they do not convey the disputed information, in which case they could be banned from landing in the United States or fined several thousand dollars...
I suppose one possibility is for the airlines to display a big fat notice on their websites when you buy a ticket: "to purchase this ticket you must agree to release the following 30+ pieces of information to the US government: <list>Check this box to agree to these conditions".

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 02:39:54 AM EST
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I'm not sure they're even allowed do that under EU data protection law - they can't guarantee the security of that information at the other end.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 02:57:56 AM EST
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Well, then.

Is anyone ready to sue the EU or the member states when they decide to buckle to US demands?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 04:07:52 AM EST
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we can tip off consumer agencies on it. Consumer Association (or is it Which? now?) in UK, Consumentenbond in the Netherlands, etc. They've the funds and legal advisors to sue.
by Nomad on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 08:55:02 AM EST
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In the UK there is the charity Liberty, I believe.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 09:33:08 AM EST
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Question: is this all about saving the Visa Waiver Program yet again? Ditch it.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 27th, 2006 at 05:02:05 AM EST
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