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by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 4th, 2006 at 02:48:42 PM EST
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Yup. But does that mean we basically say that massive man made humanitarian catastrophes, including genocide are ok, at least when they don't affect vital realpolitik Western interests unless they can be alleviated for a low cost in money and minimal one in lives? I guess so. We've done a little in various bits of Africa (Congo, Ivory Coast, Sierra Leone, Liberia) but not much. The EU is willing to go into Lebanon since the conflict does endanger key interests, both sides accepted the EU military presence, and they do have control over their respective military forces. None of these apply to Darfur.

I'm not necessarily opposed to military intervention, I just think that most of those supporting it aren't thinking clearly about how difficult it would be and the risks it would entail. Before I support such action I'd need to be convinced that they had seriously considered the problems they would encounter, and understand that this conflict, like most, is not a morality play of good vs. evil but of two rather unsavoury and chaotic sides, albeit with differences of degree, with one side a lot more powerful than the other.

by MarekNYC on Mon Sep 4th, 2006 at 04:26:26 PM EST
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There's probably something either racist or deeply hopeless, or both, in my thinking here. I have some sort of half-a-hope that it would be possible to come to some sort of sensible arrangement in Lebanon. I don't see that in some parts of Africa. The people are too poor and too desperate and the states are too artificial.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 4th, 2006 at 04:36:11 PM EST
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Lebanon is pretty artificial. Decades of civil war. The sort of sensible arrangements in Lebanon don't last long.

There have been UN troops all around Israel's borders since the 40s.

Thousands of politicians, NGOs, scientists deal with bringing peace to the Middle East.

Wouldn't it be fair to commit a small percentage of those monetary ressources brain power, creativity etc to Darfur or Africa in general.

Europe, the US and the UN... we all failed to bring peace to the Middle East despite the enourmous ressources we invested. Let's try our luck in another region. Waste some money somewhere else.

I don't see that in some parts of Africa. The people are too poor and too desperate and the states are too artificial.

Compared to Africans, the people in the Middle East are not poor. And yet they are not willing to compromise.

Poverty is not the cause for conflicts or the reason why peace is so difficult. Rather a middle class that is getting poorer is often a main cause for conflicts.


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by Atlantic Review (bl -at- atlanticreview dot org) on Mon Sep 4th, 2006 at 08:34:30 PM EST
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understand that this conflict, like most, is not a morality play of good vs. evil but of two rather unsavoury and chaotic sides, albeit with differences of degree, with one side a lot more powerful than the other.

Didn't we learn that lesson in Bosnia?


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by Atlantic Review (bl -at- atlanticreview dot org) on Mon Sep 4th, 2006 at 08:24:46 PM EST
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