EU Constitution embarrassing the UK - so it blames Royal | 70 comments (70 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Can you explain (none / 1)

Why would you "have" to abandon it? Norway is in Schengen, after all.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:30:24 AM EST
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Re: Can you explain (4.00 / 3)

Because movement of people without border control is transitive. If A is permitted from France into Ireland without border control and is then permitted to move from Ireland to the UK without border control then A has moved from France to the UK without border control, which is pretty much what the UK doesn't want.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:35:07 AM EST
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Re: Can you explain (none / 1)

Why not make the easy step of taking advantage of the physical fact that Ireland is an island - any move form Northern Island to mainland UK could require some form of id, whether at the airport (ids checked anyway) or boat?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:38:23 AM EST
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Re: Can you explain (none / 1)

Because Northern Ireland is a part of the UK and they can't institute border checks between two parts of the UK. Politically impossible.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:40:08 AM EST
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Re: Can you explain (4.00 / 3)

You are not big on the symbolic side of things, aren't you?

Imagine how Unionists would beel about needing ID to go to the rest of the UK, andnot needing it to go to Ireland.

Plus, as of today, there is no ID requirement in the UK, and no optional national id. You'd need a driver's licence or a passport to go from Northern Ireland to England.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:41:02 AM EST
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Re: Can you explain (none / 0)

You'd need a driver's licence or a passport to go from Northern Ireland to England.

But you do already. How do you go between the two places other than by plane or by car/ferry boat?

And yeah, I understand about the symbol. Just hide it behind "security". We don't seem to mind in airports.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:55:35 AM EST
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Did you know you don't actually have to carry your driver's licence with you when you drive in the UK? Ot at least so I'm told by Brits.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:56:54 AM EST
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Something is wrong in my argument, I'm describing the current situation as unacceptable to Unionists...

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 11:00:55 AM EST
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Re: Can you explain (none / 0)

To go to the UK they don't need a passport. To go to France they do. They may need some other ID for their carrier - though I don't know if that's true on a ship.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 11:08:39 AM EST
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Re: Can you explain (none / 1)

I looked at the website of a ferry company and they say it is "advised" that UK citizens take some form of ID (though they don't need a passport) with them on the ferry.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 11:18:30 AM EST
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Re: Can you explain (none / 1)

They are?

Well, the point here is that Norway would have had to abandon the Nordic open border agreements, and given the choice they decided to join Schengen. The UK doesn't trust Europe and so whould rather close the border with Ireland if Ireland joined Schengen. But Ireland is in a situation of dependence with respect to the Uk here, so they stay out of Schengen.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 19th, 2007 at 10:35:47 AM EST
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EU Constitution embarrassing the UK - so it blames Royal | 70 comments (70 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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