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it is not an easy task to educate the roma children, their way of life is barely compatible with the strict schedule ofr the educational system :
 -they are moving every few months/weeks
 -their parents are illiterate and very often are not extremely motivated to see their children educated, by fear that will lead them to leave the group.
 -they are not use to follow the  rules
 -and the very high rate of (very close :-( ) consanguinity induces an high rate of various level of mental disability.

thus, they are difficult to welcome within the normal school system.

France has put in place a "relatively" good system to adapt to this specific needs, with a mix of distance education, log books that follow what has been teach and dedicated teachers, and attendance at school/education is compulsory if parents want to receive the generous public allowances.Still the educational level is far lower than  the normal school pasth but tt has to be applaud since it is not often that the "Education national" adapts to the children needs.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 at 12:30:41 AM EST
While it is fair to say that educating Roma children is challenging, I would like to point out a couple of things. (I can only speak for what I have found here in Greece not other countries)

-the Roma families here are no longer nomadic. They are mostly settled in one place only moving in the summer months (when schools are closed) for seasonal work. Generally, the only mass movement happens because of evictions (often illegal ones)

-You are right to state that many of the parents are illiterate but many also see that education is a good thing. They do not want their children to suffer from attacks or abuse at school and that is often a reason for keeping them away. There does need to be a bigger commitment to get parents involved in the education of their children but that needs a greater effort on the authorities in the beginning at least.

-Perhaps they are not used to following these particular rules (although I disagree, many are fully integrated into Greek society) and are actually extremely respectful of authority figures like teachers and doctors. What it takes is a willingness to work together with the education authorities taking the lead in the first place. The teachers I spoke to were very positive about the children and their willingness to work so I don't believe that is where the problem is.

-I am not sure what you mean by your last point? Do you mean they marry close family members and have genetically induced mental problems? Where is your evidence for this ? I sincerely doubt this is true.

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by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 at 09:13:18 AM EST
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the situation is a bit particular in france since roma are still nomad here.

for the consanguinity it is a well known problem that come s with an unfortunate tradition of marriage between first cousin and the high occurence of some deviant (even for roma themselves as well)  behavior where the line between brother/father/uncle is not strict. There are very few studies on this matter like on any ohter roma health, you can go to medline and find some on medline (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&l ist_uids=16445146&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum), but my mother (Pr Ophtamologist) had to draw some genealogic trees for her roma patients and they are often frightening.

without talking about not having lot of beauty queen,consanguinity has quite a desastrous effect on the general healht of this population.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Thu Jan 4th, 2007 at 04:01:05 PM EST
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