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I agree, Dune is one of the greatesat SF books.

Two themes I saw as important which you only mentioned passingly:

(1) Dune plays in an age a long time after a great Jihad, one against technology, which the jihadists felt enslaves people. (Hence the use of Mentats, 'human computers'.) By the time of the story, some pragmatic 'compromises' have been made in terms of allowed technologies.

(2) Most SF about the future is a projection of America into the future in one or another way, and almost all are projections of Western culture. That Frank Herbert implanted strong Arabic, Muslim influences into this distant future (IIRC some 25,000 years away, with either the Jihad or the establishment of the Galactic Empire as halfway point and beginning of the then calendar) makes it stand out.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 at 06:27:15 AM EST
I obviously don't share the dismissal of SF as "not real litterature" that you mentioned above (not that you share it, but that it is widespread), so I voluntarily did not put the "SF" qualifier in the front page intro.

Dune is one of the best books, full stop, and Dune is one of the best writers, also full stop.

And you are right to flag his "implantation" of other cultures in his books - it's not just in Dune, it comes out in many other of his books, and it is indeed one of his better qualities - that ability to see long term treands, and qualities, in the rest of the world, not just the "West".

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 at 07:07:47 AM EST
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By accident Dosadi (also from Herberts) was one of the first SF book I read. Also an impressive work.
by Laurent GUERBY on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 at 12:34:55 PM EST
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True.  There are so many themes woven into the book.  I only touched on the two or three that seemed especially timely in the context of the approaching nexus in the Middle East.  There are a couple of reasons for that.

If I had tried to put them all in, the diary would have been nine miles long.  And I am a little short on free time just now.  My father is in the hospital and my life is not entirely my own.  This diary, or something very like it, has been rattling around my skull screaming to be let out for a while now.  I finally reworked an old essay in odd moments of free time to at least let the pressure off a bit.  

I would have liked to at least mention the Butlerian jihad and the mentats.  And I really wanted to go into the wonderful way Herbert wove all the Arabic, Muslim, and what I took to be Bedouin influences into the language and culture of Arrakis.  I just couldn't think of a way to fit it into the diary without making it much much longer, and taking time that I don't have right now.

Another thread I would have liked to include was the whole tapestry of word play and language play.  Herbert's wordcraft is in my mind positively Shakespearean in depth and breadth.  The interior dialogues of the characters as the said one thing aloud and something else entirely in italics made the entire story richer.  And again and again he invented words as English translations of Fremen words and used them to illustrate or suggest concepts.  I've always fancied myself a kind of closet linguist and I found all those little linguistic tricks absolutely delicious.

The Bene Gesserit would make a diary all by themselves, as would the Spacing Guild.  Sorry, just not enough time or space to do all I would have liked to.  Twas ever thus.

Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?

by budr on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 at 09:49:25 AM EST
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If I may point to a theme that cuts across the grain of current ideology: Dune describes tight constraints, but not constraints squeezing humanity into an ever-smaller box. Instead, it sees humanity transforming the ecology of a planet to expand the realm of life:
"There's an internally recognized beauty of motion and balance on any man-healthy planet," Kynes said. "You see in this beauty a dynamic stabilizing effect essential to all life. Its aim is simple: to maintain and produce coordinated patterns of greater and greater diversity. Life improves the closed system's capacity to sustain life. Life - all life - is in the service of life...."
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From the charts emerged a figure. Kynes reported it. Three per cent. If they could get three per cent of the green plant element on Arrakis involved in forming carbon compounds, they'd have their self-sustaining cycle.

Another prescient theme: We now see increasing discussion of planetary-scale environmental engineering.

Cooling the Earth: CO2, SO2, and The Sunscreen Fix

(Yes, the ideas I warned of in October seem to be gaining traction. We'll see.)

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by technopolitical on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 at 03:14:06 PM EST
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Indeed.  I think that is the only real hope we have of averting environmental catastrophe.  We are way, way past the point where we as a species on this planet could mend our ways, do less with less, play nice with the polar bears, and revert to some prior state of existence.  There are simply too many humans alive on this planet to make such a thing even remotely possible.  And it should be obvious to anyone with a brain by now that we cannot continue on our current trajectory.  In a very real sense we have engineered ourselves into our present predicament, we just weren't really aware of the ultimate consequences of our actions.  If we do not wish to contemplate the extinction of about half or three quarters of the current human population we must begin to quite consciously engineer our way out of it.  And the very first indispensable step in doing that is to look very carefully and very honestly at the situation as it is, not as we might wish it to be.  Sorry, I seem to be channelling Donald Rumsfeld there.

Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?
by budr on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 at 05:09:51 PM EST
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channelling Donald Rumsfeld?

we'd better beat it out of you with a Ouija board then.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 at 05:16:41 PM EST
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Rumsfeld didn't say "Let's deal with the real situation", which is a foundation of sanity. He said something closer to (but not quite as crazy as) "What the hell -- we'll do it even if reality says we don't have the means to succeed." I judge you innocent of Rumsfeldian possession.

Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.
by technopolitical on Mon Jan 8th, 2007 at 04:05:07 PM EST
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Oh, and I meant to say, you are absolutely right.  That theme, the conscious application of planetary scale ecological engineering, first to mitigate if possible the damage we have already done by our unconscious planetary meddling for most of human history, and then the conscious planetary management of our ecological impact on our world in the future, is I believe the central theme of the book.  I'm sorry if I did not make that clear.

I think that is why Herbert wrote the book.  All of the rest of it, the awesome work of world-building, the political gamesmanship of the Great Houses, the psychological imaginings of the spice drug and precognition and the Kwisatz Haderach, the mysterious agendas of the Bene Gesserit, the spacefaring Guild, and all the rest, as magnificent as it is, all of that Herbert created to make an interesting story that would draw the reader.  And all of that goes to create believable a universe in which Arrakis, the planet Dune, makes some kind of sense, and in which the very concept of planetary ecological engineering, as presented in the person of Pardot Kynes, makes sense.

Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?

by budr on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 at 08:49:02 PM EST
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