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Right Brain v Left Brain | Herald Sun

THE Right Brain vs Left Brain test ... do you see the dancer turning clockwise or anti-clockwise?

If clockwise, then you use more of the right side of the brain and vice versa.

Most of us would see the dancer turning anti-clockwise though you can try to focus and change the direction; see if you can do it.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:29:14 PM EST
My brother sent me that yesterday.

I'm left-brained, acc'd to this.  But I can easily see it move in either direction.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:41:31 PM EST
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I simply cannot make it go anti-clockwise. I like the fact that I'm a "feelings" person who obviously never uses logic.

Wee bit black and white methinks.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:43:32 PM EST
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At first, I couldn't see it turn anti-clockwise either. Then I focused on a detail like her foot's shadow and it started to turn anti-clockwise.

Funnily, when I clicked on it to save it, it changed direction. I suppose focusing on a logical/technical task made my left brain kick in..

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:51:40 PM EST
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very strange....at first she span clockwise, on and on, and i thought that was going to be it, then suddenly, with no seam-moment, off she went the other way, then just as unpredictably, turned again.

what i find most interesting was to try and witness the change-over sensation in my brain, but it seems totally friction-free.

there seems to be a 60/40% preponderance to clockwise.

fascinating...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:33:13 PM EST
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I don't understand.  why didn't she kick the ball in the goal?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:57:22 PM EST
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At first I thought:

"If you watch the dancer's bouncing foot you'll see (I think) that the image slowly changes and then reverses direction."

But I watched and...no change.  Then I looked away and back: she's dancing the other way!

Then, if I looked at the text on the left and not the picture I could catch the shifts--and then I pondered how it worked, watched the text and kept the image on the periphery of my vision--the image seemed to be skating along, wobbling the way those speed skaters do.

And then, I could even get the image--for a moment or two--to turn one way and then the other.  Very clever!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:48:57 PM EST
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I have to say (for the sake of science) that she was dancing clockwise first time I watched--and then I made (my brain watch) her go the other way.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:57:13 PM EST
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Family test: We all saw her dancing clockwise to start with.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:13:36 PM EST
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Yep, and havent answered yet because I still can't make her spin the other way.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:21:09 PM EST
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Look at the text, not the picture (that's my suggestion.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:31:06 PM EST
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nope, still definitely only clockwise.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:54:31 PM EST
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It's like those 3D pictures...until I could see them I thought there was some big conspiracy where everyone was saying they saw something that wasn't there.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:56:36 PM EST
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Aha, put my hand over most of the picture till I could only see the foot and the shadow, and suddenly POP, took my hand away and for a couple of seconds it turned the other way, til I thought "Wow it does actually work" then I "saw the whole thing and pop it was gone.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:02:03 PM EST
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I've looked at it about 4 separate times now.  3 times I immediately saw clockwise, the 4th I saw anti-clockwise first.  Mostly I can refocus and swap directions but it was harder to do when I got very tired. Good to see everyone has been well entertained in my absence!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:21:12 PM EST
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I had the same exact experience.  She was going clockwise at first, and I tried consciously to make her go the other way, and it didn't work at all.  But I looked away at the text, and there was a bounce or a blink, and when I looked back she was going the other way.

Which led me to believe that it's a trick -- maybe the image changes?  It doesn't make sense otherwise.

I looked at it for while longer, looked away a few times, watched her switch directions a few more times, and this time paid attention to whether she was standing on her left leg or her right.  And that changes too, so I still thought the image itself must change.

But now I've stared at it a good long time, and I've been able to actually focus enough to see her switch directions a lot more often, almost but not entirely whenever I want to.

I am still not convinced that the image doesn't change at some point, though, because I can't see both images at the same time, and usually with these perception-switching tricks I can.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:21:40 PM EST
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I checked the file. No trick. It's a short loop.

I also tried it on an assortment of willing victims, who all saw something different. At the same time.

Clockwise for me, by default, but I can make her switch by looking at her lower foot.

Trying to make her switch by looking at her arms made me feel ill.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:24:08 PM EST
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Yeah, lower foot works for me too.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:28:32 PM EST
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I don't think the image changes.  It's all in the feet, and what you concentrate on, I think.  If I look at the lowest shadow that comes in and out of the frame, she moves clockwise, but if I look at the foot in the center of the bottom of the image and look up, she moves counter-clockwise.  That how I make it change.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:30:10 PM EST
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So far we're all seeing clockwise.  Any anti-clockwise people around?  (If there are none, that would suggest that ET is strongly one way--and I'd like to see a scientific explanation of how the image works...any links much appreciated!  Thing is, in the text of the article it states: "Most of us would see the dancer turning anti-clockwise.")


Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:35:13 PM EST
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Well, I think it goes without saying that the denizens of ET are not most people. :-)

(Although for sitemeter purposes, some possibly might wish that they were....)

I think the count is one anti-clockwise and everyone else clockwise, so far.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:37:42 PM EST
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I think we're all clockwise so far.  Did I miss a comment?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:49:19 PM EST
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All of mine.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:50:48 PM EST
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I mean, to clarify, when I first see it it is always going counter clockwise. But I can also see it go clockwise if I want to.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:52:26 PM EST
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Ah!  Yes!

(I just checked: she was going counter clockwise in your honour.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:59:50 PM EST
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I can only see it counter clockwise. I'm left handed if that has anything to do with it.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:02:18 PM EST
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Are there any brain specialists aroung?



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:09:50 PM EST
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a dog sniffing something on the ground?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:14:56 PM EST
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Do you ask that because you can't find your dalmatian in the picture?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:19:30 PM EST
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I ask because I see a dalmation oblivious to the fact that it is about to be eaten by a huge snake.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:22:21 PM EST
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Counter-clockwise at first. Took me some time, but now I can change from one view to the other pretty fast.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 11:05:06 PM EST
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Thing is, in the text of the article it states: "Most of us would see the dancer turning anti-clockwise."
Ah, but we all know that ET is not populated by the most common elements. Tomorrow I will make everyone at work look at this thing. A whole pile of scientists and engineers. It shall be most interesting to see if they all fall within the easy expectation of 'left-brained', or if there are other things afoot, and the kind of work that we do in fact requires/benefits from a large amount of 'right-brain' creativity.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:42:10 PM EST
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I'm wondering if there's a bias towards "right brain"--maybe from the designers.  If they say "most people see anti-clockwise" but, in fact, most people see "clockwise", then most people will feel special--plus right brain is sorta associated with seeing the big picture, tuning into emotions, and other elements that I think most humans would like to think they are good at.

So...

Er...

Don't forget to report back!

(And anyone with links to those who designed this--mucho appreciatum!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:46:42 PM EST
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huh.  I guess I'm not part of "we all."  Fine, have your little clique.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:49:52 PM EST
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Oh oh! Let's not alienate out anti-clockwise contignent! Maybe we need some ET Equality directive, forbidding discrimination based on brain-sidedness?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:57:38 PM EST
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I'll draft one up. You'll each need to draft your own for implementation and compliance within your own countries though.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:22:47 PM EST
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Clockwise is the only thing I'm getting. I'm left-handed, I wonder how or if that factors in?

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:11:31 PM EST
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how about eye dominance? I'm right eye dominant and it goes clockwise

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:21:56 PM EST
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No luck.  I'm left-eyed, and it goes clockwise first for me too.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:30:00 PM EST
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Oh, I'm left eye dominant as well.  We have SO much in common.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:24:18 PM EST
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Hah! For me, it goes clockwise. Took me a while to make it change directions at all. Which is quite funny, because all my life I have been very good at logic, math, science, etc. Huh. I guess I'm in the wrong field!
OMG! Maybe I'm a left-brained person trapped in a right-brained head! Or, um, the other way around? Which way does it go, again?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 03:59:51 PM EST
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You are a whole-brain person trapped in a split-brain world--and your whole brain decided that at a certain point in time it was more useful to earn life credits (aka money or equivalents) by developing some left brain skills.  (But the right brain is in first--I think that's  why it makes a difference which direction you see first.)

Now I want to know who designed the image and how they explain the mechanism.

I think it is to do with assuming direction to a black shape--the shape is two D but we assume solidity, so one half of the brain assumes a certain spin....

...uh oh...I just thought of quantum mechanics and that means I'll be leapt upon by left-brain types.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:05:25 PM EST
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I originally saw it turn counter clockwise, but I suck at math and enjoy creative and sensual pursuits.  However, I soon saw it turn clockwise, and began making it go both ways.

I've just decided I'm ambicerebral.  If that's a word...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:09:39 PM EST
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Clockwise, clockwise, clockwise...

Until I concentrated only on the foot she pivots on, and there was a shift and she was going anti-clockwise. It soon went back to clockwise though.

<cough> Does this really prove anything?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:26:00 PM EST
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Uh, I doubt it.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:29:06 PM EST
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It proves something about the brain.  But what?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:35:58 PM EST
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The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:40:17 PM EST
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She's going to be very dizzy.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:41:47 PM EST
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Nope, I am.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:53:10 PM EST
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Hey, I can make her spin left-right-left-right if I blink in time!

Ach, now I can't.

I have to look away from the image, though, to make it change--or else (and so it's a brain thing) if I lose concentration she reverts...

....I can see her foot going around as I type...it's going anti-clockwise...and I can make it flip!

one thing happens and then the other: somehow the brain is choosing to see A before B; with the flip it sees B before A and the direction changes.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:54:57 PM EST
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Definitely clock-wise for me.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:58:14 PM EST
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Is there an equivalent comments section for another blog where they're all typing:

"Yep, definitely counter clockwise for me."

and there's a lone voice saying,

"Well I see it going clockwise."

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:01:58 PM EST
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Well we're mostly going to the left, it's probably a tory site where everyones going right.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:03:33 PM EST
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Whereas Poemless being to the left of all of us, is just trying to stay balanced ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:05:11 PM EST
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OMG.  Am I so far to the left that I'm on the right?!!  Help!!  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:08:17 PM EST
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Thing is, I see spinning "clockwise" as spinning to the right...because I imagine a start point at the back (or at twelve) and the movement is...to the right, though if you start at the front (or at six) the movement is to the left.  

I think that means you are so far to the left you're to the right, or you're so far to the right you're to the left, or, um, you grew up with clocks that ran backwards?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:12:41 PM EST
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Well, to make an honest confession...

The only thing I really failed at in school was learning to tell time.  (I grew up with digital clocks.)  I stayed after school and cried in the 3rd grade because I just couldn't understand how to tell time.  I failed a test.  I had intensive all night study sessions with my father.  Eventually I figured it out, but for a while everyone was freaking out because I was in all these gifted kids classes but couldn't tell time.  It was my dirty little secret.

No clue if there is connection there.

I think my head might just be on wrong.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:28:19 PM EST
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I saw her going anti-clockwise first, too, and almost had a fight with Migeru about this. Poemless, I am horrible at telling directions but always within about ten minutes telling time no matter how long away from a clock I've been, so I don't think there is any relation between these two.

I saw an earlier comment about 3D pics. You can train your brain to see these things faster. If you give me a 3D pic I am able to see what it is in less than five seconds. I just simply go cross-eyed and stare through the picture, and let the rest assemble itself. I love them. I can do a similar thing with different patterns, like upholstery on an airplane seat (yep, I can make it 3D!!!) I used the same principle while looking at this spinning woman... and it works! She started switching, like a pendulum. Slaloming, really. Try it!

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon

by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:48:55 PM EST
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Thanks!

Yes, I can do those 3D pictures easily too (once I figured them out), and I do the same with patterns!!  Curtains, shadows, graphic patterns have provided hours of dissociative pastime for me.  It's almost like pulling focus on a camera, really.  

Yay.  I'm not insane.  

So, perhaps it has more to do with the ability to shift perspective (literally and figuratively) easily than with being "right" or "left" brained?  Interestingly, I would associate that skill with the "creative" mind and not the "logical" one.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:58:33 PM EST
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Yes, I agree. I share your enthusiasm about not being insane :D!

Easily shifting focus is probably well said. I think it might be caused by easier communication between left and right brain that women have (the corpus callosum works better for us, apparently. Migeru reminded me of my psychology classes ;), credit to him.)

So maybe this little experiment shows that we are actually using both sides of the brain fairly well??? :) (Nothing wrong with a bit of ego-boosting on this apparently very right-brained blog... LOL)


"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon

by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:25:59 PM EST
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I think it might be caused by easier communication between left and right brain that women have...

Scientific proof that this site has a male bias?   lol.

So maybe this little experiment shows that we are actually using both sides of the brain fairly well???

Like I said, I'm going with "ambi-cerebral."  (I thought I'd just made up this term, but some googling -yes, I can google, Mig- reveals its previous, though I suspect illegitimate, existence.)


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:34:38 PM EST
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It's not that ET is a right-brained blog, it's that most of the left-brainers are deeply involved in discussions about economic this and financial that and haven't noticed the "Open Thread" (or the face among the beans.)

The fact that Chris noticed--after having no doubt read and commented on economic this and financial that--explains his reaction to the image.

The fact that those who have looked have tried to see it spinning the other way shows we are eager to learn.

The fact that more than one of us suspected that the image had been manipulated in some way shows that some of us have a latent susception to conspiracy theories.  

Which we will try and debunk, of course.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:01:45 PM EST
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So...which way are these turning?



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:15:27 PM EST
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Iknew this one .. it is great.. and absolutely icnredible..

i see it both ways. depending ont hem oment ... it is very nice..

but again is about the primary visual cortex... and noone is so stupid to claim that it has to do with something about the right or left brain...

a pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:24:13 PM EST
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Well, I guess I am stupid enough... ;(
(Runs away, crying).

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:30:15 PM EST
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Heh, it's true: the green and red vibrate and confuse the...brain!  So it is a brain thing, but not left/right.

Here's another optical illusion.

And here's one that is definitely (they say) "right brain/left brain".

Hidden Face Illusion - Optical Illusion

Can you find the human face which is hidden in these coffee beans?

Doctors have concluded that if you can find the face in the coffee beans in 3 seconds, the right half of your brain is better developed than most people. If you find the face between 3 seconds and 1 minute, your right half of the brain is developed normally. If you find the face between 1 minute and 3 minutes, then the right half of your brain is functioning slowly and you need to eat more protein. If you have not found the face after 3 minutes, the advice is to look for more of this type of exercise to make that part of the brain stronger!

I'd say it took me about a minute and yes: there really is a face in amongst those beans!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:42:35 PM EST
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there is deep stuff about that.. very deep stuff.. proejction on the visual cortex of higher cortex functions...

it is really amazing research...

I got oa two hour fullt reatment about brain implication of this kind of visual perceptions..a dn the reaction times to them...

And I have also read simialr things ina ntrhopology about presenting the same kind of visual percetpion to different cultures with other learnt parametres of perception...

really amazing

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:47:49 PM EST
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Links or book titles or authors!

And your diary about magic, of course.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:53:53 PM EST
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One working in Weizmann.. oo hisname.. gee.. what was his name...Amiram I think....

this is a good way to start..a s good as any other

http://www.weizmann.ac.il/brain/images/ImageGallery.html

or..

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:yAGF13wXIA4J:www.dandavidprize.org/pr/2004_EnglishGrinvald0404. doc+weizmann+institute+brain+research+amiram&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=opera

A pleasrue

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 10:55:36 AM EST
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About 20 seconds here...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:50:29 PM EST
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Here's another colour illusion.  Look at the pink dots and they flash on and off in a clockwise motion.  Look at the cross in the centre and there's a green dot making its way round in a clockwise motion.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:51:40 PM EST
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The purple/cyan effect is the same effect as the green/red spinning disks. it's shadows in your colour perception

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:28:39 PM EST
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as soon as I worked out what I was meant to be looking for POP, although I spent far too long looking for the wrong thing

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:16:13 PM EST
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I found it in less than a second. I don't know what this means. I should have been an artist?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:19:44 PM EST
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I think it means you are the reincarnation of a god from one of seven regions.  If you know the bean person--or if you realise that it is, in fact, a picture of you--then you are probably all the gods from all the seven regions.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:26:51 PM EST
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20 arms would be awesome. I'll pass on the nine heads though, I'm an easy going guy but there would still be too many arguments between myselves.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:51:06 AM EST
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ewwww, that is actually quite freaky. Face looking up like that.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:30:37 PM EST
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With how many different photos of random coffee-bean "arrangements" will this work?

We are told there's a face hidden, so we find it?

Is everyone seeing the same face?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 02:24:45 AM EST
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I don't see a face after staring at this things for about 5mn. What kind of a face is it? Like a simple smiley, or a real face with 3d features? Where are the eyes?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 02:33:30 AM EST
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It's a real face, not a "face shape" made by an arrangement of the beans.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:22:20 AM EST
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Same here. Barbara is giving me a hard time about it.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:30:15 AM EST
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Everyone is seeing the same face.  It is the size of 1 coffee bean.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:24:02 AM EST
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Where is it? Could you circle the face and post the pic??
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:32:25 AM EST
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count approx. 5 beans from the lower left corner! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:39:39 AM EST
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Got it! Thanks!!
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 04:09:50 AM EST
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Start at the bottom row, look at the individual beans, move from bottom left to bottom right, about two inches in you'll find a ball head instead of a bean (in the second row up from the bottom more or less)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:43:07 AM EST
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Then it's rather like Where's Wally? (or Waldo...)

Seeing the damn thing also rather depends on the state of your eyesight and the quality of your screen... Mine are dimmer than they used to be... ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 04:54:48 AM EST
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And indeed, the source of this posts it as an optical illusion, and actually compares it to the game of Where is Waldo?

Only in the comment thread does the poster claim "Doctors have concluded etc...", and gives no source or reference to back the claim.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:12:09 AM EST
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Everyone will see the same face, there is only one face in it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:34:44 AM EST
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This was funny! I thought at first it was supposed to put together an imaginary face... I looked for a large face! Then I saw it... great stuff. But instructions should be more precise. ;)


"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 01:07:37 PM EST
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But the point of the exercise is to see how you interpret ambiguous instructions!

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:33:03 AM EST
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So what does the video tell us about the Face on Mars?

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:28:59 AM EST
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geeee.. I was talking about the scientists who believe that.. or the people who pushed that... not the people who read it.. actually from a  reader perspective.. it makes perfect sense...

gee.. I should shut up sometimes :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:45:37 PM EST
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Red and green...

There was a Clash single, Tommy Gun...

Maybe I've got the wrong single, but there was one--I'm sure it was by the Clash--and when you shook the cover the words smeared off the page!



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:32:52 PM EST
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Okay, this is a migraine (or epilepsy) recipe. Have one coming on at the moment (spent way too much time in front of the screen today), but from what I gather they are turning all in different directions. What do you see?

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:32:18 PM EST
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I see wheels turning, but if I watch a wheel it stops...while all the others turn...sneaky!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:54:56 PM EST
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It's not turning, it's breathing. Aaaargh, it's noticed me. It's coming out of the scr.......

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:35:31 PM EST
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  1.  When I just move my eyes over it, the ones that seem to be moving are going counter-clockwise.  Then they don't.  Then they do.  Then I go cross-eyed and want to vomit.

  2.  But if I look right at it, they stop moving altogther.

  3.  When I try to ignore it, it begins breathing and writhing and staring at me like an 18-headed monster.


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:40:53 PM EST
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My GOD!  IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ATinNM on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 08:52:08 PM EST
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I'm arbitrarily asigning the start point as 3 o'clock, because that is the point where things emerge into view in front of you. so everything is heading to the left.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:35:28 PM EST
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We need a poll! Can one of the FPers slap a poll on this open thread? Must. Generate. Statistics.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:06:37 PM EST
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Done.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:12:26 PM EST
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Crap.  Preview is your friend.  Formatting should be cleaned up now.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:15:09 PM EST
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thanks
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:22:15 PM EST
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Definitely. No idea how anyone could see anything else.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:03:28 PM EST
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This one's going clockwise. It's not the same one that's on Kos.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:05:55 PM EST
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LOL!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:08:48 PM EST
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Now I seem to be able to change it just by  moving the cursor around the picture of the dancer. Oh well, back to serious stuff, like finishing poemless' diary on Putin.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:11:16 PM EST
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Both Elaine and I can make her turn either way depending on where we focus.

How does it work?

hint: the brain hates ambiguity

by ATinNM on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 08:56:19 PM EST
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It's very weird -- I see it going clockwise if I look at it and that is so no matter how much I focus. However, if I look at it peripherally or am reading the text next to it, it goes anti-clockwise.

I must have a strange mind. :)

'It depends on which research report you read,'says Hattie, 'and sorry about this, but I do tend to believe the ones that suit me.'

by JQL (deinikoi at gmail dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 04:49:10 PM EST
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Basically, I can only see it go clockwise...
Unless... I apply the concentrative power known as "hitting refresh" which naturally enough disrupts the timing of the gif loop (slows it down) at which point I see it go anti-clockwise for a bit...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:39:28 PM EST
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Started off anti-clockwise then after a spin or so goes clockwise.

Never continues in either direction for long.

In fact, I find it difficult to believe it doesn't have random switching built in....

But it's really interesting comparing ET'ers comments - - and the left brain/right brain stuff on the site - to their personae as it comes across in my accumulated experience of Diaries and comments...

Which is probably exactly what we are all thinking in relation to everyone else.

"Uh huh, that figures...".

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:43:14 PM EST
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"Uh huh, that figures...".

Yeah, the similarities between you, LEP and I were always striking...

;)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:48:25 PM EST
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Strangely I find it easier to make it go the other way if I look at the screen at an angle.

what does that tell you?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:50:12 PM EST
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Almost everyone sees it clockwise at first, Chris. Look at the poll.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 02:35:06 AM EST
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Some people beleive that stuff for real????

I mean it is an itneresting exercise on visual recognization, the visual priamry systems and their consequent projections..a dn of course about the projection of otehr areas of the cortex on the visual primary cortex....

But left brain vs right brain???? are they kidding or somethin?

I promise this comemnt has nothing to do with the fact that I do not see itmoving at all... nro clockwise nor anticlockwise...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:21:14 PM EST
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But left brain vs right brain???? are they kidding or somethin?

Yup, kc, I think you're "right" again, je je je!

Interesting how people so love these tests they don't question the science behind them (or the journalistic transmission of the science).

Oh dear, now I'm being left-brained...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 02:42:51 AM EST
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Well, I don't think I know enough to properly question the 'science' behind them. On the other hand, I never take them entirely seriously either. Sometimes, it's just time to enjoy, and to make some statistics, without any sort of rigorous methodology. Because, fascinating as these brain thingies might be, I have more important things to think about!

Didn't we just the other day have some article about how people find claims about brains more believable if the are accompanied by a colored picture of a brain? There we also have the associated annoying tendency of 'proving' already known things with an MRI picture. You know, the stupid articles of the kind: "People have long said that having their nose hairs pulled out with tweezers makes them angry and annoyed. Now scientists have proved this with MRI imaging! People really are getting angry, not just imagining it!" As if there was some kind of objective neurological activity that is 'anger', or some other emotional whatever, and if the MRI doesn't confirm, then you are not really angry, but just imagining it.

Still, spinning brain images are fun things!

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:12:50 AM EST
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I love the nose hair example!

I don't know what science is behind the dancer, either. I tend to think it's in the optical illusion category, though, rather than the left/right brain dichotomy. But what I tend to think is Not Science™.

I do find it fascinating how easily people accept a veneer of brain science (cf the accompanying picture example) and are ready to start categorising themselves and others on a very slim basis.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 04:41:45 AM EST
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Because it's easy, and makes them feel as though they know something. Science gets dumbed down too much to the point that people go bleating about x,y,z being scientifically proven, just as astrology accurately describes how their day, week and month is going to pan out. Same class of 'science'.

People like to be able to explain why some things are as they are.  Why not use flimsy brain science to attribute traits?  Skin colour seems to be an acceptable enough way of categorising for many people.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 04:49:52 AM EST
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Same class of 'science'

That's not something I dare to say round here... ;)

I wouldn't compare this to categorisation on the basis of colour, race, gender, etc, though -- which are social hierarchy sub-categories. These tests with their veneer of brain science seem to appeal to the highly educated and concern personal, possibly innate, dispositions. Yes, maybe a question of reassuring oneself, like an IQ test.

I'm in trouble, because the dancer says I'm right-brained and the coffee beans say I'm left-brained. D'oh, the headache!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:25:35 AM EST
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Gosh, wish I could have stayed around for the fun.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:40:52 AM EST
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