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The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:40:17 PM EST
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She's going to be very dizzy.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:41:47 PM EST
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Nope, I am.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:53:10 PM EST
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Hey, I can make her spin left-right-left-right if I blink in time!

Ach, now I can't.

I have to look away from the image, though, to make it change--or else (and so it's a brain thing) if I lose concentration she reverts...

....I can see her foot going around as I type...it's going anti-clockwise...and I can make it flip!

one thing happens and then the other: somehow the brain is choosing to see A before B; with the flip it sees B before A and the direction changes.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:54:57 PM EST
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Definitely clock-wise for me.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 04:58:14 PM EST
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Is there an equivalent comments section for another blog where they're all typing:

"Yep, definitely counter clockwise for me."

and there's a lone voice saying,

"Well I see it going clockwise."

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:01:58 PM EST
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Well we're mostly going to the left, it's probably a tory site where everyones going right.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:03:33 PM EST
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Whereas Poemless being to the left of all of us, is just trying to stay balanced ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:05:11 PM EST
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OMG.  Am I so far to the left that I'm on the right?!!  Help!!  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:08:17 PM EST
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Thing is, I see spinning "clockwise" as spinning to the right...because I imagine a start point at the back (or at twelve) and the movement is...to the right, though if you start at the front (or at six) the movement is to the left.  

I think that means you are so far to the left you're to the right, or you're so far to the right you're to the left, or, um, you grew up with clocks that ran backwards?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:12:41 PM EST
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Well, to make an honest confession...

The only thing I really failed at in school was learning to tell time.  (I grew up with digital clocks.)  I stayed after school and cried in the 3rd grade because I just couldn't understand how to tell time.  I failed a test.  I had intensive all night study sessions with my father.  Eventually I figured it out, but for a while everyone was freaking out because I was in all these gifted kids classes but couldn't tell time.  It was my dirty little secret.

No clue if there is connection there.

I think my head might just be on wrong.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:28:19 PM EST
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I saw her going anti-clockwise first, too, and almost had a fight with Migeru about this. Poemless, I am horrible at telling directions but always within about ten minutes telling time no matter how long away from a clock I've been, so I don't think there is any relation between these two.

I saw an earlier comment about 3D pics. You can train your brain to see these things faster. If you give me a 3D pic I am able to see what it is in less than five seconds. I just simply go cross-eyed and stare through the picture, and let the rest assemble itself. I love them. I can do a similar thing with different patterns, like upholstery on an airplane seat (yep, I can make it 3D!!!) I used the same principle while looking at this spinning woman... and it works! She started switching, like a pendulum. Slaloming, really. Try it!

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon

by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:48:55 PM EST
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Thanks!

Yes, I can do those 3D pictures easily too (once I figured them out), and I do the same with patterns!!  Curtains, shadows, graphic patterns have provided hours of dissociative pastime for me.  It's almost like pulling focus on a camera, really.  

Yay.  I'm not insane.  

So, perhaps it has more to do with the ability to shift perspective (literally and figuratively) easily than with being "right" or "left" brained?  Interestingly, I would associate that skill with the "creative" mind and not the "logical" one.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:58:33 PM EST
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Yes, I agree. I share your enthusiasm about not being insane :D!

Easily shifting focus is probably well said. I think it might be caused by easier communication between left and right brain that women have (the corpus callosum works better for us, apparently. Migeru reminded me of my psychology classes ;), credit to him.)

So maybe this little experiment shows that we are actually using both sides of the brain fairly well??? :) (Nothing wrong with a bit of ego-boosting on this apparently very right-brained blog... LOL)


"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon

by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:25:59 PM EST
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I think it might be caused by easier communication between left and right brain that women have...

Scientific proof that this site has a male bias?   lol.

So maybe this little experiment shows that we are actually using both sides of the brain fairly well???

Like I said, I'm going with "ambi-cerebral."  (I thought I'd just made up this term, but some googling -yes, I can google, Mig- reveals its previous, though I suspect illegitimate, existence.)


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:34:38 PM EST
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It's not that ET is a right-brained blog, it's that most of the left-brainers are deeply involved in discussions about economic this and financial that and haven't noticed the "Open Thread" (or the face among the beans.)

The fact that Chris noticed--after having no doubt read and commented on economic this and financial that--explains his reaction to the image.

The fact that those who have looked have tried to see it spinning the other way shows we are eager to learn.

The fact that more than one of us suspected that the image had been manipulated in some way shows that some of us have a latent susception to conspiracy theories.  

Which we will try and debunk, of course.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:01:45 PM EST
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So...which way are these turning?



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:15:27 PM EST
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Iknew this one .. it is great.. and absolutely icnredible..

i see it both ways. depending ont hem oment ... it is very nice..

but again is about the primary visual cortex... and noone is so stupid to claim that it has to do with something about the right or left brain...

a pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:24:13 PM EST
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Well, I guess I am stupid enough... ;(
(Runs away, crying).

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:30:15 PM EST
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Heh, it's true: the green and red vibrate and confuse the...brain!  So it is a brain thing, but not left/right.

Here's another optical illusion.

And here's one that is definitely (they say) "right brain/left brain".

Hidden Face Illusion - Optical Illusion

Can you find the human face which is hidden in these coffee beans?

Doctors have concluded that if you can find the face in the coffee beans in 3 seconds, the right half of your brain is better developed than most people. If you find the face between 3 seconds and 1 minute, your right half of the brain is developed normally. If you find the face between 1 minute and 3 minutes, then the right half of your brain is functioning slowly and you need to eat more protein. If you have not found the face after 3 minutes, the advice is to look for more of this type of exercise to make that part of the brain stronger!

I'd say it took me about a minute and yes: there really is a face in amongst those beans!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:42:35 PM EST
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there is deep stuff about that.. very deep stuff.. proejction on the visual cortex of higher cortex functions...

it is really amazing research...

I got oa two hour fullt reatment about brain implication of this kind of visual perceptions..a dn the reaction times to them...

And I have also read simialr things ina ntrhopology about presenting the same kind of visual percetpion to different cultures with other learnt parametres of perception...

really amazing

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:47:49 PM EST
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Links or book titles or authors!

And your diary about magic, of course.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:53:53 PM EST
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One working in Weizmann.. oo hisname.. gee.. what was his name...Amiram I think....

this is a good way to start..a s good as any other

http://www.weizmann.ac.il/brain/images/ImageGallery.html

or..

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:yAGF13wXIA4J:www.dandavidprize.org/pr/2004_EnglishGrinvald0404. doc+weizmann+institute+brain+research+amiram&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=opera

A pleasrue

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 10:55:36 AM EST
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About 20 seconds here...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:50:29 PM EST
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Here's another colour illusion.  Look at the pink dots and they flash on and off in a clockwise motion.  Look at the cross in the centre and there's a green dot making its way round in a clockwise motion.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:51:40 PM EST
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The purple/cyan effect is the same effect as the green/red spinning disks. it's shadows in your colour perception

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:28:39 PM EST
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as soon as I worked out what I was meant to be looking for POP, although I spent far too long looking for the wrong thing

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:16:13 PM EST
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I found it in less than a second. I don't know what this means. I should have been an artist?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:19:44 PM EST
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I think it means you are the reincarnation of a god from one of seven regions.  If you know the bean person--or if you realise that it is, in fact, a picture of you--then you are probably all the gods from all the seven regions.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 07:26:51 PM EST
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20 arms would be awesome. I'll pass on the nine heads though, I'm an easy going guy but there would still be too many arguments between myselves.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:51:06 AM EST
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ewwww, that is actually quite freaky. Face looking up like that.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 09:30:37 PM EST
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With how many different photos of random coffee-bean "arrangements" will this work?

We are told there's a face hidden, so we find it?

Is everyone seeing the same face?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 02:24:45 AM EST
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I don't see a face after staring at this things for about 5mn. What kind of a face is it? Like a simple smiley, or a real face with 3d features? Where are the eyes?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 02:33:30 AM EST
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It's a real face, not a "face shape" made by an arrangement of the beans.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:22:20 AM EST
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Same here. Barbara is giving me a hard time about it.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:30:15 AM EST
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Everyone is seeing the same face.  It is the size of 1 coffee bean.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:24:02 AM EST
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Where is it? Could you circle the face and post the pic??
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:32:25 AM EST
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count approx. 5 beans from the lower left corner! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:39:39 AM EST
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Got it! Thanks!!
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 04:09:50 AM EST
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Start at the bottom row, look at the individual beans, move from bottom left to bottom right, about two inches in you'll find a ball head instead of a bean (in the second row up from the bottom more or less)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:43:07 AM EST
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Then it's rather like Where's Wally? (or Waldo...)

Seeing the damn thing also rather depends on the state of your eyesight and the quality of your screen... Mine are dimmer than they used to be... ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 04:54:48 AM EST
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And indeed, the source of this posts it as an optical illusion, and actually compares it to the game of Where is Waldo?

Only in the comment thread does the poster claim "Doctors have concluded etc...", and gives no source or reference to back the claim.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:12:09 AM EST
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Everyone will see the same face, there is only one face in it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:34:44 AM EST
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This was funny! I thought at first it was supposed to put together an imaginary face... I looked for a large face! Then I saw it... great stuff. But instructions should be more precise. ;)


"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 01:07:37 PM EST
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But the point of the exercise is to see how you interpret ambiguous instructions!

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:33:03 AM EST
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So what does the video tell us about the Face on Mars?

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 05:28:59 AM EST
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geeee.. I was talking about the scientists who believe that.. or the people who pushed that... not the people who read it.. actually from a  reader perspective.. it makes perfect sense...

gee.. I should shut up sometimes :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:45:37 PM EST
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Red and green...

There was a Clash single, Tommy Gun...

Maybe I've got the wrong single, but there was one--I'm sure it was by the Clash--and when you shook the cover the words smeared off the page!



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:32:52 PM EST
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Okay, this is a migraine (or epilepsy) recipe. Have one coming on at the moment (spent way too much time in front of the screen today), but from what I gather they are turning all in different directions. What do you see?

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:32:18 PM EST
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I see wheels turning, but if I watch a wheel it stops...while all the others turn...sneaky!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:54:56 PM EST
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It's not turning, it's breathing. Aaaargh, it's noticed me. It's coming out of the scr.......

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:35:31 PM EST
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  1.  When I just move my eyes over it, the ones that seem to be moving are going counter-clockwise.  Then they don't.  Then they do.  Then I go cross-eyed and want to vomit.

  2.  But if I look right at it, they stop moving altogther.

  3.  When I try to ignore it, it begins breathing and writhing and staring at me like an 18-headed monster.


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 06:40:53 PM EST
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My GOD!  IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ATinNM on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 08:52:08 PM EST
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I'm arbitrarily asigning the start point as 3 o'clock, because that is the point where things emerge into view in front of you. so everything is heading to the left.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:35:28 PM EST
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We need a poll! Can one of the FPers slap a poll on this open thread? Must. Generate. Statistics.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:06:37 PM EST
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Done.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:12:26 PM EST
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Crap.  Preview is your friend.  Formatting should be cleaned up now.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:15:09 PM EST
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thanks
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:22:15 PM EST
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Definitely. No idea how anyone could see anything else.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:03:28 PM EST
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This one's going clockwise. It's not the same one that's on Kos.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:05:55 PM EST
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LOL!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:08:48 PM EST
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Now I seem to be able to change it just by  moving the cursor around the picture of the dancer. Oh well, back to serious stuff, like finishing poemless' diary on Putin.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 05:11:16 PM EST
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Both Elaine and I can make her turn either way depending on where we focus.

How does it work?

hint: the brain hates ambiguity

by ATinNM on Thu Oct 11th, 2007 at 08:56:19 PM EST
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It's very weird -- I see it going clockwise if I look at it and that is so no matter how much I focus. However, if I look at it peripherally or am reading the text next to it, it goes anti-clockwise.

I must have a strange mind. :)

'It depends on which research report you read,'says Hattie, 'and sorry about this, but I do tend to believe the ones that suit me.'

by JQL (deinikoi at gmail dot com) on Fri Nov 9th, 2007 at 04:49:10 PM EST
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