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is that huge bits of the world are still clamoring for US power - soft power to be sure, the ability to lead on global issues, but still, US power.

Do we need to be led by the US to save the planet?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:32:39 AM EST
Do we need to be led by the US to save the planet?

Unfortunately, yes. Both the United States and China, as the two largest emitters of greenhouse gases, must lead by drastically cutting their own emissions.

Until the U.S. and China do so, other countries will be able to point to them as an excuse to do nothing themselves.

So unfortunately for everyone in the world, the U.S. simply can't be ignored and the rest of the world solve the problem without America.

by Magnifico on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:36:39 AM EST
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One might say that it is merely a quantitative leadership. Not to be neglected for sure...
by Torres on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:49:05 AM EST
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That's not leadership to me. The leader should set the good example, however, in this point the US is not showing the way, it is following others.

But you are right the US and China need to drastically cut back the greenhouse gases.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:54:35 AM EST
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the US is not showing the way, it is following others.

Uh, no, sadly it's not even doing that.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:57:55 AM EST
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What peace has Gore brought to global military, financial, or intellectual property conflict?
-- Who are the adversarial states who have benefited from his arbitration and advice?
-- What charitable relief has Gore executed or funded for regional or global distribution?
-- How has Gore's advocacy reduced GHG emissions, in absolute units?
-- How has Gore or the IPCC funded humanitarian aid in regions adversely affected by climate change or war?
-- How was Gore instrumental to draft and ratifications of the UNFCCC treaties and its subsequent execution (Kyoto)?

How has IPCC enforced UNFCC treaties and Gore directed Rajendra Pachauri and Robert Watson in managing IPCC activities and distributing intelligence to state agents?

What US policy conflicts has Gore resolved and authorized? How has the US government implemented these policies?

What publication has not featured a Gore memoir or Gore media?

What is the current estimated market value and size of green product marketing and R&D, worldwide?

What is the significance of (measurable) grassroots "awareness" to formulation and governance of (measurable) resource plans to reduce GHG emissions?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 03:13:13 PM EST
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The Prize was awarded

"for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"

Efforts.  Disseminate greater knowledge.  Lay the foundations.

Maybe you're right.  Screw being informed.  Just give everyone money and we'll have peace.  Is that it?  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 04:03:22 PM EST
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There concludes satisfaction of criteria for awarding a Nobel prize for Literature.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 06:52:28 PM EST
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The rationale seems to be that dealing with global warming sanely - which isn't going to happen, but it's a nice idea - would prevent an almost endless round of resource and survival wars in the rest of the century.

And it's the panel's way of saying 'Hey - actually an issue. Can we start dealing with this please?'

Gore may well look like Clinton in drag, but I think if he were genuinely another lap dog or political narcissist he would have been out of the gate far earlier.

But in fact there's no reason to believe that he's anything other than completely committed and passionate on this one issue.

Since he's unlikely to be worse on worker rights than any of the others (except - possibly - Edwards)  it makes sense to support to him.

If he runs. And personally, I think he probably won't.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 02:28:28 PM EST
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But in fact there's no reason to believe that he's anything other than completely committed and passionate on this one issue.

It's difficult to imagine a better way for him to affect the way we respond to climate change than by his being president of the US. They should take away his nobel if he doesn't run. ;)

by Fete des fous on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 06:13:24 PM EST
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No, not really.  One of the criteria for awarding a Nobel Prize in Literature are that the Nobel Laureate has to have had a noticeable effect on the world of literature.  

The reason for awarding Al Gore and the IPCC the peace prize is to give them recognition for their efforts to make the world more aware of the climate changes just as Aung San Suu Kyi was awarded the peace prize in her tireless battle for democracy and human rights in Burma.  

It is also meant to encourage the laureates to continue their important work.  It is a fact that climate changes are often closely linked to the outbreak of war, be it war over water resources or scant energy resources.

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by Gjermund E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Sat Oct 13th, 2007 at 03:00:50 PM EST
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by Nomad on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 04:51:16 PM EST
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well we wouldn't whinge about it if we had made a more sincere attempt ourselves! (i know your success in this, j)

who cares who leads?

why does there have to be a leader/follower model at all?

time's past for such petty distinctions, we all need to walk in the right direction, some will be ahead sometimes, then slip behind...it's natural.

mostly people who want to be 'in front' more than their share are the ones to treat most sceptically.

this 'great leader' malarkey is what gets us into authoritarian heirarchies every time; power corrupts, so let's keep it spread around, so it doesn't stagnate and go rancid..

one world, rotating leadership, one goal of sustainable social justice...


~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 07:32:38 AM EST
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We first need the US to get out of the way of progress.

If they got on the bandwagon it would be great.

If they got to work pulling the train it would be even better.

But is Gore gets inaugurated expect an inauguration address along the lines of JFK's "don't ask what America can do for you but what you can do for America", and a new "Apollo project" on climate change.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2007 at 01:33:28 PM EST
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