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The only difference between the new Treaty and the Constitution is that the new Treaty does not have the political symbolism of being a Constitution, nor of having been approved by referenda in France and the UK and a few other places (not a full vote by all Europeans, but far more comprehensive than anything before it).

So it's still the EU clanking about rather than being carried by a grand political ambition. In that sense, it pleases the euroskeptics, I suppose. Business as usual.

Although, of course, they know that the EU has a life of its own, and the added powers for the Parliament and a few other changes may have major political impacts in the medium term. We'll see.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:35:17 AM EST
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Well, there's some extra pandering to troublemakers like the Poles, the Brits and the Irish in the new version.

No-one can work out why the government here is opting out of some of the justice measures, except that the UK is. The government failed to give any examples of possible problems in a recent debate on the topic.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:37:08 AM EST
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The Irish?

Didn't hear much about them. I thought it was Italy that had the last objections.

by Euroliberal on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 01:13:04 PM EST
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Opt-out on the justice bits that was added after the constitutional treaty failed.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 01:17:02 PM EST
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Check out the British press Jérôme, the skeptics are not at all pleased.

All in all this is better than nothing and is a step forward. We can't have the real Europe we want from one day to the other. Maybe when our generation gets to power it'll get easier.

Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:41:19 AM EST
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The skeptics won't be pleased by anything less than:

1. The UK leaving the EU, but - perhaps - staying inside the trade area.

or

2. The EU becoming the new British Empire, with the UK firmly in charge, telling all those greasy foreigners how to behave in a civilised way.

The EU's problem is that it's easier for Poland and the UK to run spoiler campaigns when no one seems sure what the EU is supposed to be. Is it aiming for federalism? Neo-liberal business growth? An original vision of cooperation between countries?

The Treaty hasn't solved that problem. This agreement has been running on momentum created the meme that the EU is somehow A Good Thing, but if you ask people why, they're going to have a hard time coming up with convincing reasons.

It's not that the reasons don't exist, it's more that instead of bimbling around with not-a-constitution, the EU could have done itself a big favour by articulating those reasons clearly, and giving everyone a reason to care.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 06:58:41 AM EST
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Just having the momentum and the EU as A Good Thing is enough for me.

It keeps the Germans from invading France, limits separtism and at the same time increases trade and cooperation. What's not to like?

OK, the madmen in Brussels trying to deregulate things they don't understand, but still it comes out positive on the whole.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 07:08:51 AM EST
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Is it aiming for federalism? Neo-liberal business growth? An original vision of cooperation between countries?

I think the Treaty answers those questions:

. No it is not Federalism we are talking about, but the Treaty should strengthen the Confederal framework.

. Yes to neo-liberal business growth, about 80% of the EU citizens have been voting for Liberal politics, that won't change. That's not the aim of the Treaty anyway.

. Yes it is an original vision of cooperation between countries. The EU has been that since the very beginning, this Treaty is just one step further from loose cooperation to an institutional framework, that has only one place to go: a Federation.

Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 08:20:56 AM EST
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