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Constitutional amendment is about right.

Anytime you want to persuade the nation states to reconstitute the EU with the citizens of those nation states as the members, feel free: as it stands the states are the members.

I don't hold with the belief that the EU has to become a state to be successful: it seems that it might be able to do something else.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 11:00:11 AM EST
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Depends on your definition of 'success.' My definition involves government by the People, of the People, for the People among other things, and I truly have a hard time seeing how the Union can obey that principle without either giving up a whole lot of authority or giving up the notion that the state and federal level should be intertwined the way they currently are.

But I will not harp on that any further in this thread, since legitimacy and federalisation was the subject of this thread, and I don't want to threadjack this one by turning it into a discussion of where the Union should go from here. My own views on that matter are summed up in this comment. I am, of course, open to other suggestions as to how to achieve transparency and accountability, but in my thinking those two objectives are of paramount importance. Virtually any other subject is secondary, where the Union is concerned.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2007 at 11:21:23 AM EST
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An agreement between states ... say, for instance, feudal baronies ... that establishes an executive authority and a directly elected parliament, sometimes results in the development of that confederation into a nation-state.

In the end, it may be history that writes the Constitution of a federal Europe, by imposing upon Europe threats that it cannot face as a confederation of states ... but a future history in which a confederal Europe is good enough seems like a more pleasant future for most people to live through.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Oct 21st, 2007 at 10:55:12 AM EST
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