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Re: Oh, shit. (none / 1)

Coleman, they believe nothing that they are saying.
Words are tools.

Thay want Iran.

Look at the map.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 02:26:45 PM EST
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Re: Oh, shit. (none / 1)

I don't believe the genius-supervillain narrative of these people.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 03:21:51 PM EST
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Re: Oh, shit. (none / 1)

I don't think anyone is suggesting they are genius at this point.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 03:24:50 PM EST
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Re: Oh, shit. (4.00 / 2)

Lots of people are: anyone who thinks that this is all going to some big plan by "Monied Interests", "Big Oil" or whatever.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 03:28:00 PM EST
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Re: Oh, shit. (none / 1)

No one's suggesting that plan == really good and intelligent plan.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 06:20:22 PM EST
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Re: Oh, shit. (4.00 / 3)

I don't believe ANY genius-supervillain narrative.

I do believe a lot of people (very bright people) make all kinds of plans which, as they say - do not survive the first contact with the enemy/ reality.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 03:36:32 PM EST
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Re: Oh, shit. (4.00 / 2)

But actions do tend to have a motive or purpose, and if anyone can tell me a better one for Iraq ( tobe followed by Iran) than energy security (and a sub-text of vast private profit is a given) then I'd like to know.

I have always subscribed to cock-up theories as opposed to conspiracy theories.

Iraq is simply the Cock Up to End all Cock Ups.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 03:41:43 PM EST
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Re: Oh, shit. (4.00 / 3)

I list of reasons - pushed by different lobbies - to go into Iraq

Implement mad PNAC plans to take over the world.
Money to be spent with the military crowd.
Regain US dignity after 9/11
Make some of the Israel lobby happy
Put in place a sympathetic government in control of the oil and strategic position
"He tried to kill my Daddy"
Put the frighteners on the rest of the world
Demonstrate the validity of the high-tech, small force theories of Rumsfeld and co
Gain the political advantages of being a War President for Bush and the Republicans

There are lots of reasons for attacking Iraq.

The problem is that the fools completely underestimated the difficulties because they create their own realities.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 03:49:21 PM EST
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One more (4.00 / 2)

* Get bases in Iraq so they could get out of Saudi Arabia.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 at 04:14:54 PM EST
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Re: Oh, shit. (none / 1)

And don't forget Gog.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu

by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Fri Oct 26th, 2007 at 10:24:59 AM EST
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