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All systems are possible to manipulate, just watch what the Bush crowd does to the system of language. The question is if there are feedback mechanisms that punish manipulation. As I see it the hungarian system of referenda apparently has such a feedback mechanism the role of which is played by the linguist in this case. If people keep this up, the outcome could eventually be fairly formulated questions.

I think DoDo means that since Fidesz is in opposition if their (opportunistic) referenda drive fails, the government goes ahead with the reforms.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Mon Oct 29th, 2007 at 10:59:29 AM EST
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I am convinced that, as in Switzerland, if a population is forced to take responsibility, frequently and in serious matters, and there is a discussion of the issues with diverse opinions, it could learn to use it well (in no small part through own errors) and not sit up as easily for manipulation.

Now in Hungary, maybe the linguists' action will force people to look at these issues more closely and decide what they really want, and vote with sense (e.g. 6 yes 3 No, or 6 No 3 Yes). But it could just as well lead to yet another referendum failing on low participation. (Since 1989, there have been exactly three successful referendums, one of which forced regime change, the other two approved NATO resp. EU membership. Of hundreds of more initiatives, less than half a dozen got on the ballot paper, and none made it.)

As for the go-ahead for reforms: if a referendum result both says that they should stop and that they can go ahead, they can just reference the latter as approval, what should stop them?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Oct 29th, 2007 at 03:15:06 PM EST
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