I have little idea of what it is like to be a woman in Saudi Arabia or Egypt.  So I can't comment on that, or even make any guesses as to what degree our experiences are different.  Obviously the Middle East, like "the West," is not a homogeneous culture, nor is Islam, like Christianity.  

But I have to say that this -much appreciated- diary reminds me of so many conversations we have in America even about women and is dressing like a pop star a sign of liberation or another incarnation of our subjugation to men...  I mean some people will even go so far as to say that just being the object of the male gaze is badddd (so, do we lock ourselves in our homes?) or, conversely, that prostitution is an empowering career choice (sigh...).  So there's little new in this debate.   Even when we're free to be you and me, there is always someone, often other women, concerned if we are being women correctly.  I guess the news is that it's finally hit the Arab world.  I know one huge bone of contention in all of my feminist studies was the complex experience of black women, who faced not just sexism, but racism and classism and conflicting stereotypes and social expectations peculiar to being a black woman.  Perhaps in the Arab world there is that too, in different ways, with the whole social conservatism/fetishizing exotic sexuality thing, and with the different set of social repercussions for breaking the rules.  But I suspect the experience is still more universal than peculiar.  It's a different, perhaps more extreme incarnation of the evolution of sexual equality.  Which is messy all around.

But in fairness, people, men and women, are themselves full of contradictions.  It's a difficult topic.  Kinda why I try to stick to freedom of speech, equal pay, etc.  Equal rights.  So far as the sexual objectification of women goes, it's a problem.  But I think the answer lies more in educating men and empowering women, and vice-versa, than in debating what kind of sexuality is optimal for women and pop stars in particular.  

Hope some of that made sense.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Nov 1st, 2007 at 01:45:59 PM EST
Excellent comment, thanks.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Nov 1st, 2007 at 02:26:53 PM EST
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I try to see these issues in terms of freedom of expression through clothing. If you get the choice of dressing like a tent or Britney that situation is better then only getting the choice of variations on a tent or variations of Britney. We still have indecency laws on the books in Sweden, but they are rarely used. Recently  two girls went topless in a public bathing house (or what its called in english) to point out that in practice the rules differ when it comes to indecency. I think they were removed from the premises, but no arrests (or tasing). Sorry, got sidetracked there. The more (legally and socially) accepted choices the better. And that goes for mens clothes too.

poemless:

But I have to say that this -much appreciated- diary reminds me of so many conversations we have in America even about women and is dressing like a pop star a sign of liberation or another incarnation of our subjugation to men.

Both perhaps? No norm is firm and clear enough for anyone to be able to break it in all ways at the same time. Also the norms differ in time and place through a society. What might send liberating shock waves thorugh a small conservative town, might be the demanded and degrading dress code at a bar in bigger city. Same clothes, different setting and different person who decides clothing.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Nov 7th, 2007 at 06:58:43 PM EST
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