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he's certainly a representative of one of the factions at court. Which is sort of scary really: the military isn't meant to be a court faction in the US, is it?
The US doesn't operate the way it's "supposed" to be any longer. People don't talk about "the end of the Republic" on a whim.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 09:45:27 AM EST
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Besides being a great phrase, let me underscore Mig's point here.  The system is unravelling, to the point of weirdness.  Points of power seem to be continually shifting, making it harder to affect decision-making.  There have been media reports, including Sy Hersh, indicating several power enclaves within the military as well.  I would doubt that the good general is part of the born-again apocalypsters team.

Given the irrational nature of administration play on Iran, it's refreshing to hear a semblance of sanity from a power center.  But it's probably just a voice, albeit one which might mount a counter-coup if it came to that.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 10:26:14 AM EST
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Ending republics on a whim does not have that great a history,

perhaps someone should point out the precedents to george

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 10:43:26 AM EST
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I think you misunderstand. I mean that people are not being whimsical when they use highly dramatic phrases such as the End of the Republic. See also the following article, which appears unintentionally prescient.

Parameters, US Army War College Quarterly: The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012 by Charles J. Dunlap, JR. in Winter 1992

The letter that follows takes us on a darkly imagined excursion into the future. A military coup has taken place in the United States--the year is 2012--and General Thomas E. T. Brutus, Commander-in-Chief of the Unified Armed Forces of the United States, now occupies the White House as permanent Military Plenipotentiary. His position has been ratified by a national referendum, though scattered disorders still prevail and arrests for acts of sedition are underway. A senior retired officer of the Unified Armed Forces, known here simply as Prisoner 222305759, is one of those arrested, having been convicted by court-martial for opposing the coup. Prior to his execution, he is able to smuggle out of prison a letter to an old War College classmate discussing the "Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012." In it, he argues that the coup was the outgrowth of trends visible as far back as 1992. These trends were the massive diversion of military forces to civilian uses, the monolithic unification of the armed forces, and the insularity of the military community. His letter survives and is here presented verbatim.

It goes without saying (I hope) that the coup scenario above is purely a literary device intended to dramatize my concern over certain contemporary developments affecting the armed forces, and is emphatically not a prediction. -- The Author



We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 11:45:28 AM EST
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Some days this place does make me feel monsterously underread.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 12:08:14 PM EST
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I recall that Colin Powell gave some sort of tribute to Dunlap for this article.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 03:43:25 PM EST
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Yes, the article won an essay competition, or something.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 13th, 2007 at 03:03:21 AM EST
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There have been media reports, including Sy Hersh, indicating several power enclaves within the military as well.  I would doubt that the good general is part of the born-again apocalypsters team.

Those people are generally in the air force, or so I've heard. Good to see that the navy is non-crazy. You can't do an end-run around the navy if you want to strike Iran.

Battling, corrupt factions with their own power structures was also the way certain fascist governments were organised, and part of the reason they were so dysfunctional. But of course we can't make any comparisons because such comparisons, however apt, apparently trivialise the suffering caused by these governments.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 12:55:17 PM EST
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For some reason, the crazies are always in the Airforce.

Probably is some kind of mix of being the "new" service (which could be filled with political people... at least when it was new 50 years ago) and the hubris aquired by soaring around in the sky, untouchable, and dropping bombs on people.

Godlike.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 07:25:07 PM EST
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I beg your pardon! Paul Spencer and I were both in the Air Force.  Well, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that I was.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 at 11:41:55 PM EST
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When I was in basic training in 1962, the propaganda films were about the commie threat in 'Indochina'. In 1966, my brother was in Navy Basic Training and was giving me a hard time about my misgivings about the war in Viet Nam. I tried to enlist in the Army, but, fortunately, the AF reserves were so slow in sending my records, I had time to reconsider. Decided that I didn't need to see it firsthand to know that we didn't belong there.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Tue Nov 13th, 2007 at 12:52:40 AM EST
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"The Crazies are always in the Airforce" is not the same thing as "The Airforce consists of Crazies".

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 13th, 2007 at 03:01:55 AM EST
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Exactly.

And I was actually thinking more of the WW2 Luftwaffe than the US Air Force, even if that organization had had its fair share of crazies. Like General Curtis LeMay.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Nov 13th, 2007 at 08:30:56 AM EST
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Thank you for elucidating.  The AF has had its share of "crazies" for sure but as a service it is hardly alone.  Some would say quite a few of the old Stategic Air Command Generals like Curtis Lemay and Selmon Wells were crazy, but they didn't start wars.  No, the responsibility for that lies elsewhere. Look to the civilian politicos in control for that honor and then look a little further and you'll find the careless individuals who put them in office.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Tue Nov 13th, 2007 at 11:17:13 PM EST
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