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wait when was Barseback started -- mid 1970s right. So you're telling me that 30 years later the costs are still not repaid!. For wind it's 10 years iirc!

I mean, yes, the cooling towers are elliptic in shape. No ellipse are not modern: see the celtic symbols, crosses, etc. Or the Eiffel tower for that matter.

There was indeed a time when concrete was admired as a proof of modernity. Nowadays it just ruins the claims to greenness of nuclearpower through CO2 emissions. Especially when you have to try a bunch of times before getting it right (cf Finland EPR. Are they still two years behind schedule sinde they started 3 years ago?)

Or maybe the problems come from the fact that it's partly state sponsored, and therefore inherently inefficient. Let's have Areva get money on the market these days...


Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Fri Nov 16th, 2007 at 09:53:27 AM EST
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Barsebäck started in 1975 and closed in 2000 and 2003 respectively, if I remember correctly. With these kind of long term investments, it makes sense to loan money over long time. I think the French loaned money over 40 years for their program.

But I also believe Barsebäck had shorter loan durations than that, and that all the loans, or at least most of them, were already payed off.

Which makes the decision to close the plants even more insane. They were payed off and were in practice printing presses, creating a valuable good with practically no costs at all.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2007 at 10:06:01 AM EST
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They were printing presses... probably responsible for inflation then. </conspirationist comment>

Didn't barsback run into a couple of problems though? there must be a reason why it's those that where closed. I remember Forsmack Had a couple of issues... Wait, where is barseback? isn't it very close to Danemark? this way the government could calm both the greens and the danish...

Gosh I just checked. it was 20km away from Copenhagen. So that's why this one was closed. In france the Nogent Plant is 120km away from Paris, and it's already a huge deal.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Sat Nov 17th, 2007 at 10:42:51 AM EST
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The Danes have no reason to complain. They supported the construction and IIRC even bought some of th first power on a fixed price contract.

That was until they were to get their own plants. Which didn't happen as they chose coal instead, killing thousands of Danes every year.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2007 at 02:17:54 PM EST
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Maybe they figured they didn't have the great geological repositories needed for long term storage and therefore abandonned nuclear power?

They have 18.5 % of their electricity coming from wind, when they don't have the best winds ever. They probably aren't as irresponsible as you make it sound.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Sat Nov 17th, 2007 at 04:22:28 PM EST
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Cooling towers are usually one-sheet hyperboloids which are both ruled surfaces (so they can be easily constructed out of flat pieces) and minimal surfaces (so they are more stable).

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 19th, 2007 at 06:16:17 PM EST
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