European Tribune - Comments - Friday Photography Blog No.10

Can one already see what it is going to be? m or f? And looks like Sam is doing a great job setting it up. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 04:30:25 AM EST
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Re: PHOTOS AS USUAL (none / 1)

We didn't ask ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 04:32:06 AM EST
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That's nice, so it is going to be a surprise!

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 04:33:36 AM EST
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Re: PHOTOS AS USUAL (none / 1)

You did some work too, No?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 04:47:30 AM EST
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Re: PHOTOS AS USUAL (4.00 / 4)

Nothing very onerous.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 04:54:25 AM EST
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I am so glad that you two are going to have a baby!
Great!I wish you healthy and lucky baby!

by vbo on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 06:41:16 AM EST
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Washingtpn D.C,.Metro (4.00 / 8)

Taken one year ago at 7:30 p.m. with Kodak Z650.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 04:29:36 AM EST
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Re: Washingtpn D.C,.Metro (none / 1)

it looks surreally clean....

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 02:48:02 AM EST
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Welcome to the U.S.A. (4.00 / 8)

The Old (Nostalgia)

The New (Fear)

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 09:15:07 AM EST
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flower-lovers' balcony, perugia (4.00 / 7)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 10:09:42 AM EST
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perugia perspectives (4.00 / 6)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 10:14:08 AM EST
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autumn colours, perugia 1 (4.00 / 6)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 10:14:37 AM EST
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Doing what linca said (none / 1)

Much better! I should have checked the html myself... So to recap:

As only linca had the sense to check and find out, you embedded the flickr thumbnails instead of the uploaded images themselves.
What that basic html code you took from the New User Guide does is embed the image you link to: e.g., tell browsers to go to the image file hosted on Flickr, and display it in the page expanded to the specified width. In other words, that's only a display function, the file remains the same. (Unlike when you send an email: then you copy the actual file into the email.)
If you have versions of your image 600 pixels wide or less, you don't need to add width="600" or similar into the image embedding html code (e.g. <img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2225/1813546032_94a5bcb103.jpg"> is enough for the above).

However, seeing the original 500 pixel wide Flickr version of your image, further comments:

The original has a size of 195kB -- definitely too big. I don't know what settings FlickrExport offers, but there could be two reasons:

the re-sized jpg image is saved with not much compression (say at 95%, where 85% would be ideal),
it is usually a good idea to sharpen a re-sized image, maybe FlickrExport does that automatically, but does so too strongly.

At any rate, some handy image editor would be better to control these properties.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 at 03:07:52 AM EST
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perugia autumn, 3 (4.00 / 4)

the colours look more washed out blogged than in iphoto.

is there something i can do about this?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 10:20:38 AM EST
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Probably this photo originally is (too) big format and when you resized it you get this.If that's the case I don't know what you can do except to try to resize it in a little bit bigger format...

by vbo on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 06:46:40 AM EST
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I always find that your photos come out far too chunky nad pixilated than others, I don't know wether this is down to your hosting service.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 06:52:23 AM EST
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How do you process the images? I'm wondering if you set the file size/quality a bit too low so that the detail gets lost. I tend to save jpegs at about quality 4 or 5 for the photoblogs. Looking at your file sizes you could easily save at higher quality and not create files that are too large.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 07:00:02 AM EST
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It must be something else. Too low jpeg quality looks like a video still, melo's pictures look as if they were re-sized to 200 pixels wide and then magnified again. I would be really glad to help melo in this, too, because even the above suggest really good original shots.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 09:29:20 AM EST
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That might be it - Melo, when you process the photos are they intially smaller than 600 pixel width, that you then incease to 600 pixels when you post on the blog?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 12:37:49 PM EST
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my camera takes quite 'heavy' shots, some are more than 4 mb in photoshop...if i email them they come out lovely, even if i reduce the size), i used to use imagewell to get my pix to flickr, then the demo stopped working and the reg didn't work, so i switched to flickr export, which works within iphoto, (though it ties it up until the pic has finished uploading, whereas imagewell didn't...

imagewell also gave me control over the size and weight of the file, letting me know how many k it was, whereas flickrexport doesn't.

some of the older pix were indeed taken with a video then sliced out!

i don't know how heavy these are, i was counting on someone telling me if they were slowing down the site...

now it seems like i should compress them less...

i'll try looking for a way to tweak flickrexport meanwhile.

on a mac.....!

thanks for the kind praise and the offers of help.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 04:35:46 PM EST
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I know nothing of macs!

But your photos are mostly around 23kb, none more than 30 or so so you can afford to compress them less that you do.

Maybe somebody with a mac can help out - Ted perhaps?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 04:44:15 PM EST
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Or Colman.

But I suggest as a first excercise to take one single image (I'd take "autumn colours, perugia 1") and do 2-3 further versions with the same size but decreasing compression, and post them in a comment -- for us to comment :-) (We frontpagers can delete it later.)

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 05:35:33 PM EST
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Image size in Photoshop will do the job.

Save as JPG.

Flickr shouldn't do too much damage after that.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 06:02:14 PM EST
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melo doesn't seem to have Photoshop (neither do I for that matter). Can you suggest a mac freeware for him?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 01:38:54 PM EST
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Imagewell. You only need to pay for it if you want the advanced features.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 01:40:46 PM EST
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melo wrote a few comments back that he had imagewell, but its trial time run out.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 01:50:37 PM EST
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trying something new (none / 0)

that's what scoop wants to do with the flickr capture, without me coding any size. in preview it's a bit less grainy. before i was asking it to make it 600 width.

in iphoto, which i use to suck the pix out of the flashcard in the camera, the pic comes out bigger and more luminous. if i drag them into mail to send to someone, they come out big and lively.

the camera is a samsung techwin, s1000 model.

i don't understand why with the same settings one pic weighs 167k, and another weighs 4.9mb...

anyone enlighten me?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 12:09:04 PM EST
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Picture size depends on information content -- if your image is mostly black with some simple shapes, it could be 167k.

that's what scoop wants to do with the flickr capture

Is "scoop" some Apple program?

I don't use mac, but here is an idea: maybe what "flickr capture" does is screen-capture your photos, as loaded by iphoto into a small viewing window?

At any rate, I hope the Apple users here suggest you some good image-editing program, so that you control what's re-sized not FlickrExport/iphoto.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 01:36:21 PM EST
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Scoop is the name of the software used to run ET...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 02:34:13 PM EST
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Which is obviously not an image-handling software.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 02:37:05 PM EST
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I still get the impression the scoop melo is talking about is the one running ET. e.g., Scoop does have a preview function...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 02:51:57 PM EST
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i was referring to the new user's guide where it has the code for introducing a pic....isn't that a scoop function, or is it basic html?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 04:53:34 PM EST
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Re: trying something new (4.00 / 2)

Scoop doesn't modify your image in any way, and includes the basic html code you put in your comment.

I checked on the pixellated pictures, and understood the problem : you are linking to the flickr thumbnails images (with an _m.jpg at the end of the name of the picture). Remove those _m, and the pictures will appear correctly...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 09:33:17 PM EST
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ta, linca, i'll give it a whirl...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 at 03:33:31 AM EST
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Macs are GREAT for image manipulation so whatever problems you are having isn't due to the computer. And if you have Photoshop, the problem is not with the software either.

Are you using the "Save for Web and Devices" command in Photoshop? It is almost impossible to get it wrong with this wonderful feature.

"Remember the I35W bridge--who needs terrorists when there are Republicans"

by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 08:18:22 AM EST
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http://www.nocaptionneeded.com/?page_id=2

i used to use photoshop quite a bit, mostly for tweaking caricatures out of normal pix...i never figured out how to layers right, and ran out of interest.

these days i import into iphoto, tweak a bit, mostly crop...sometimes the 'enhance' button makes nice changes, mostly not...

the adjust menu offers a bit of tweaking, saturation, contrast etc.

imagewell was a lot better, but i can't make it work any more, and flickrexport works, but i can't find any prefs to tweak in it...

thanks for your efforts to help, y'all!

i'm going to get aperture, i think, i hear it offers much more than iphoto, and is macfriendly.

meanwhile i'll try linca's suggestion...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 at 06:28:42 AM EST
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Statue of an important American. (4.00 / 7)

the stormy present or Gringo might guess who this is.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 10:31:36 AM EST
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Re: Statue of an important American. (none / 0)

Huh. I really don't know. Looks like a jurist (seated, and in front of a courthouse) but it's not familiar. I could take a wild stab and guess John Marshall, but I'm pretty sure that's not right.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 11:24:16 AM EST
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Re: Statue of an important American. (none / 0)

Bravo, that is right! I thought you would get it. The photo was taken in Warrenton,Va., one year ago. His home was near Warrenton (15 miles) in, Delaplane, Va. right near the town of Marshall. I'll be going there today. My business partner lives right next to the old Marshall estate, and I think John Marshall might have once lived in my partner's house.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 11:34:42 AM EST
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Re: Statue of an important American. (none / 1)

No way! I'm really surprised, it was just a guess. I knew it wasn't the "famous" (relatively speaking) Marshall statue, but I couldn't think of who else it might have been. I really should have recognized him, though; I used to work about eight blocks away from his "city" house!

I haven't spent a whole lot of time in Warrenton, but I've got a sibling who lives not terribly far away from there. I hope you have a great visit!

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 12:01:19 PM EST
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Re: Statue of an important American. (none / 1)

It's early Saturday morning in Delaplane Va. I'm staying at my partner's house. I couldn't resist showing him our photoblog of last month where you recognized the picture of the Biograph. Strange things do happen on the internet; he was touched. I also hadn't realized that you had linked to the "ode" to the Biograph by one of our former employees; I missed it.
As for a little history his house was built by John Marshall for one of his sons. It burnt down early last century but was rebuilt on the original foundation.
I took some photos of the Marshall house, and will try to post them here. But I don't have broadband now so they might have to wait 'till I return to town later today,

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 08:22:05 AM EST
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Re: Statue of an important American. (4.00 / 3)

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 09:13:54 AM EST
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Would you like to play? (4.00 / 8)

This is a picture within a picture.

I sent an image, shadow self-portrait, I took while hiking in California to a friend in Brighton, who pinned it to his wall and added a shadow of his own. So it's two layers deep, now, California/Brighton [via Paris].

Would anyone like to add a layer from somewhere else in the world? What you add doesn't need to be a shadow ...

by Loefing on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 12:43:13 PM EST
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Re: Would you like to play? (none / 1)

When I get back to France I'll ask estHer if she would like to create an addition.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 12:50:37 PM EST
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Re: Would you like to play? (none / 1)

Perhaps some information about the images in each step would make the experiment more fun.

So I begin: The original picture was taken during a faaabulous hike near Lake Tahoe, in the Sierra Nevada [California]. The area is extraordinarily beautiful to begin with but, in addition, my hiking partners plied us all with herb! I'd never hiked high before, heheh, and I've rarely had more fun with my cameras than on that occasion : )

It was afternoon, we were hiking down from Round Lake, where we'd picnicked.

As for the second layer, it was created by Andrew, a bright funny person, in Brighton, whose apartment is inundated with afternoon sun.

...

by Loefing on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:08:42 PM EST
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Re: Would you like to play? (none / 0)

I really love this idea! It also makes me wonder if anyone here would be interested in say picking an iconic photograph and then trying to reproduce it with their own twist or take on it?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:50:54 PM EST
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Re: Would you like to play? (none / 0)

What is an iconic photograph?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:54:37 PM EST
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Re: Would you like to play? (none / 1)

Trying to think of an example - the Marilyn Monroe shot with her skirt blowing up in the air vent is an iconic one - instantly recognised and and a very strong image. I'm not suggesting we all go off and impersonate her!

Images don't have to be of people. I've got a complete blank right now!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 04:39:53 PM EST
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Re: Iconic photos (4.00 / 5)

Iwo Jima, 1945

Times Square, VJ Day, Aug 14, 1945

" 'No Caption Needed' argues that iconic images are an important example of how modern public life depends on the appropriation and recirculation of images across a wide range of media, arts, genres, topics, and audiences. We have built an archive of hundreds of examples of iconic image appropriation--that is, of how various retailers, advocates, artists, culture jammers, and others have reproduced, repositioned, altered, or otherwise played with iconic images for persuasive effect. For example, the Iwo Jima flag raising is found on commemorative medals, beer mugs, paperweights, fireworks, comic books, Christmas tree ornaments, and on and on."

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 09:08:23 AM EST
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The kiss sculpture is in Sarasosta.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 09:10:22 AM EST
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Thanks Ted!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 09:15:44 AM EST
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I never understood what Einstein's photo is supposed to elicit.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 09:18:18 AM EST
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I suppose it's the amusing contrast between Einstein's status as an eminent scientist and this childish act.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 09:23:08 AM EST
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Re: Iconic photos (none / 1)

and of course Scientist=adult=serious.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 4th, 2007 at 09:36:19 AM EST
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Re: Iconic photos (4.00 / 3)

A painting by my business partner who's become an artist late in life.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 11:03:59 AM EST
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lunch (4.00 / 9)

by Loefing on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 02:36:32 PM EST
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guess what? (4.00 / 4)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:07:51 PM EST
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zoom out a bit.. (4.00 / 4)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:08:08 PM EST
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and a bit more (4.00 / 4)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:08:34 PM EST
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Re: and a bit more (none / 0)

those last three were of a fountain in roma

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:16:19 PM EST
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Re: and a bit more (4.00 / 5)

This is some of what my daughter took during her visit to Roma *she made hundreds of photos)...

by vbo on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 08:16:45 AM EST
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Re: and a bit more (none / 0)

beautiful!

rome is one long visual orgy...

she has a good eye..

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 3rd, 2007 at 04:36:53 PM EST
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alley, perugia (4.00 / 5)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 01:13:42 PM EST
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Re: PHOTOS AS USUAL (4.00 / 10)

I enjoy discovering history so I get roped into preservation projects. This church site has a cemetery with many of the more interesting Norwegian settlers in Minnesota--including the parents of Thorstein Veblen.

The flowers are from our prairie restoration project.

This is the stone church that was built by the immigrants. It is interesting in that almost none of the construction materials traveled more than about 5 km. The roof REALLY needed repair.

The steeple is in dreadful shape. In some cases, the timbers have rotted through.

I got to design the replacement "vaerhane" (Norwegian for weather rooster) based on old photos (thank you photoshop) and a simple 3d illustration program.

Here is the proposed vaerhane photoshopped onto the completed steeple roof.

The big steeple parts were delivered to the site today. Hopefully they will be craned into place next week.

"Remember the I35W bridge--who needs terrorists when there are Republicans"

by techno (reply@elegant-technology.com) on Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 at 04:57:01 PM EST
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