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I thought about writing up a support piece for the UR part during my exchange with Drew, but my take relies too much on anecdotal evidence - plus I was primarily interested in the discussion concerning inflation rate and related/derivative stats. You have now raised the issues that belie the official numbers, but I agree with Drew that I probably would not add the military component. Of course, I wouldn't add them to the total-available-workforce, either.

Briefly on the anecdotal evidence - in the 60s and 70s the U.S. data was ingenuous, so to speak. Between the WWII-fostered U.S. economic strength and the relative naivete of the political class at that time, the statistics were simple and to-the-point. In the early 70s some left-leaning academics were estimating that the post-benefit (uncounted) group already duplicated the number of unemployed being counted in the UR - primarily UE benefits recipients. I can't cite at this date, but Chomsky and Staughton Lynd come to mind.

The second anecdotal piece comes from my experience with friends and acquaintances over the years. During recession - including recessions that aren't called recessions - I know more people on UE benefits, past UE benefits, and homeless than in better economic times. I know more people today in these categories than in quite a long time. Best that I can do for the discussion, but you seem to be carrying the ball quite well in any case.

The one thing that I will mention about Williams' company is that his predictions from last December for related economic activity in 2007 are the basis for my interest in his overall work. Until recently, I was not a subscriber, but his work pops up in his Archives after so many months, and the archives can be accessed without subscription. As soon as I saw the December piece, I decided to subscribe, partly because I am going to strongly consider his advice in the current situation.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Nov 23rd, 2007 at 04:01:55 PM EST
Paul, do you read Nouriel Roubini any?  He's had what seem to be some pretty right-on, but pretty scary, takes about the economy -- both national and global.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Nov 24th, 2007 at 09:55:07 AM EST
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I hadn't heard of Roubini, but I checked your link. Certainly seems like someone with whom I would often agree. I'm going to look around the site some more. What is your connection?

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sun Nov 25th, 2007 at 07:52:19 PM EST
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